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Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by ongy »

manuelmoreale wrote: post #353
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #315

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually there is, various age verification systems exist where the party asking for it does not need to process their ID, like the Dutch iDIN ( https://www.idin.nl/en/ ) that works not unlike a digital payment - the bank knows your identity and age, just like they know your account balance, and can sign off on that kind of thing just like a payment. I hope this becomes more widespread / standardized; the precursor f…

We have a similar system in Italy so the age verification process itself doesn't personally concerns me that much since the verification process is done by the government itself and they obviously already have my information. I'm personally more interested in the intuition people have when it comes to squaring rejecting age verification online while also accepting it in a multitude of other situations (both online an…

My main issue is trust.

In real world scenarios, I can observe them while they handle my ID. And systematic abuse(e.g. some video that gets stored and shows it clearly) would be a violation taken serious

With online providers it's barely news worthy if they abuse the data they get.

I'm not against age verification (at least not strongly), but I'd want it in a 2 party 0 trust way. I.e. one party signs a jwt like thing only containing one bit, the other validates it without ever contacting the issuer about the specific token.

So one knows the identity, one knows the usage But they are never related

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by littlecorner »

cowboylowrez wrote: post #347
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #309

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> The solution is parents using the parental control feature on their children’s devices. This is a stopgap at best, and to be blunt, it's naive. They can go on their friends' phones, or go to a shop and buy a cheap smartphone to circumvent the parental controls. If the internet is locked down, they'll use one of many "free" VPN services, or just go to school / library / a friend's place for unrestricted network acce…

if you make smartphones an 18+ item like alcohol many of these problems would go away.

And have schools stop giving kids laptops or tablets. I wonder how much of the Chromebooks for school incitive was to develop a new market for Google

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by abanana »

Barrin92 wrote: post #192
areoform wrote: post #176

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Universalising any group is dangerous, but this isn't true for even the least informed young people I know. They grew up being watched. They know what these data harvesting operations are and how dangerous this is. They've got front row seats to the dystopia. The difference is that they can't / couldn't do anything about it. They think the world is broken and that you broke it. They're pissed off. And powerless. Not…

sorry but the source for the wave of discontent is... a new york times op-ed on kids with flip phones? How many of them are there? I think universalizing is appropriate because unlike previous generations there isn't even a meaningful counter-culture. Even the luddites in all likelihood get more traction as a story on Instagram than the actual thing, where do you think they go to get their cottage core fix? I haven't…

> How many of them are there?

Indeed, this reads as a case of somebody forgetting that the news doesn't report what's absolutely normal to everybody. It reports what's unusual. (Plus all the articles that misrepresent people's opinions either deliberately for clicks, or accidentally through lack of understanding, sometimes due to being given a quota of articles to rush out per day.)

Perhaps the universalizing mistake is going a little bit in both directions here.

There's a huge current trend where people love to tar an entire generation with the same brush. When a person a generation or more removed (in either direction) says something we personally disagree with, it's become the norm to put down that entire generation as though they share the same viewpoint. It's a very unfortunate trend IMO because it often comes across as arrogant and/or patronising.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by LoganDark »

palata wrote: post #375
miav wrote: post #342

The reaction to Discord age verification fiasco once again makes me believe that HN users just don’t have friends. There is no alternative for Discord for bigger groups. If there was, I still couldn’t move multiple social circles to it, no matter how much I evangelised. The “just don’t use the less morally aligned platform” argument has always been valid only for those without a strong need for it, whether it’s X or…

> The reaction to Discord age verification fiasco once again makes me believe that HN users just don’t have friends. There is no alternative for Discord Are you saying that people who don't talk to their friends over Discord don't have friends? Is that a statement you genuinely find reasonable?

They're saying people with friends generally don't have access to them all on one single alternative platform, like they might with Discord.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by artisin »

NOTE: The script is broken, DO NOT ATTEMPT TO USE THE SCRIPT NOW. Attempting to run it may get your account flagged stopping you from trying face verification either temporarily or permanently, forcing you to use your ID.

pr: https://github.com/xyzeva/k-id-age-verifier/pull/12

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by FMecha »

RupertSalt wrote: post #221
rkagerer wrote: post #220

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This assumes people are putting in their real birthdays, which IMO is a terrible practice to encourage. I never put in my real birthday. It's just one more datapoint to leak in an inevitable hack and help scammers exploit me. Just because a website sticks a field on a form, doesn't mean you need to fill it out. I can think of maybe 1 website I use that has a legitimate use to know this info about me... and a dozen th…

They were not, actually. IIRC, it went like this: the account creation screen prompted them for a birthdate. They entered a fictitious one and pretended to be over 13. (I saw my niece do this in front of me, and I just sighed a very heavy sigh. She was way more interested in Club Penguin.) Then later, they let the cat out of the bag. They tell their friends "lol I'm only 10! Today's my birthday, so give me a hat!" or…

Some platforms also now suspend you if they find out you were registering before turning 13 (or minimum age).

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by CivBase »

The implementation doesn't matter. Current options for bypassing it don't matter. The nature of the content being blocked doesn't matter.

The root problem is that Discord is asking users for their real identity in exchange for accessing social media content. That is a line that simply should not be crossed.

They can change the implementation later. They can make it harder to bypass. They can identify users who bypassed it and start them over from square one. They can change what type of content is blocked. They can alter the deal, but users cannot take back their identity once it is handed over.

Discord has become a platform that is outwardly adversarial to its users. Don't try to fight it. Don't keep investing in a platform that's actively hostile to you. Cut your losses now and find something else.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by ongy »

manuelmoreale wrote: post #306
HeckFeck wrote: post #300

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They aren't comparable. Showing an ID to a staff member isn't stripping my anonymity. I know the retailer won't have that on file forever, tied to me on subsequent visits. Also they stop ID'ing you after a certain age ;) There isn't any way to achieve the same digitally.

I know they're not compatible. I'm asking if you're also ok with those. There are also plenty of situations where you are asked to provide an ID, digitally, when above a certain age. For example booking hotels and other accommodations. Personally I'm still trying to figure out where my position is when it comes to this whole debate because both camps have obvious pros and cons.

Which hotel asks for id online..? I've only ever had to provide it once on-site and checking in.

And when then, only when I'm in foreign countries.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by FMecha »

rippeltippel wrote: post #223
neilv wrote: post #217

Three problems with this: 1. Removes the pain of age verification, encouraging some people to stay in the proprietary walled garden when everyone would be better served by open platforms (and network effects). 2. Provides a pretext for more invasive age verification and identification, because "the privacy-respecting way is too easily circumvented". 3. Encourages people to run arbitrary code from a random Web site in…

Proving that something is possible doesn't mean encouraging it. This was a beautiful work of reverse engineering, that shows how hard it can be to verify personal data without invading privacy. I prefer this awareness to blind trust. The code was released, therefore it is not arbitrary (problem #3). Should companies react with more invasive techniques (problem #2), users can always move to other platforms (problem #1…

>users can always move to other platforms (problem #1)

Until the cycle restarts again with new platforms.

Also, I am convinced self-hosting or getting a new platform (including return to traditional forums) to run might as well be bureaucratically harder at this point, given the case of lfgss' shutdown: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42433044

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