Live data from Hacker News

FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

nbcnews.com

401–410 of 1001 posts

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

#401

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does Palantir defeat Signal's crypto? I suppose it could be done by pwning everybody's phones, but Palantir mostly does surveillance AFAIK, I haven't heard of them getting into the phone hacking business. I think Israeli corps have that market covered.

It doesn't, they're infiltrating the groups and/or gaining access to peoples' phones in other ways.

As ever xkcd holds true - https://xkcd.com/538/

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

#402
post #396

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In addition to terrorist stuff, they are probably passing of bunch of stuff to the military or defense industry to do things like fine tune their radar to cutting edge military secrets.

Would be nice if we had some form of statistics in a way that wouldnt endanger any of the intel that just tells the general public "we dont just sit here collecting PB of data daily"

Any statistics that didn't endanger the intel would also be unverifiable and easily falsified, and therefore not particularly trustworthy for the proposed purpose.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

#403

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The police (FBI and ICE included) are never your friends. They work to protect the rich and powerful and not us.

Cynical responses like this are meant to make the speaker sound smart, but actually what you're doing is making further tyranny more likely, because you're deliberately overlooking that-- whatever the existing problems with the FBI-- there is a significant difference between their behavior now and their behavior before. Not even bothering to run the established investigation playbook when law enforcement kills a civi…

[deleted]

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

#404

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a good thing FBI has capacity to do more than one thing at a time. Also Trump agreed to allow MNPD to handle the wrongful death investigation. Two things can be true: the "resistance" rings in MN are behaving like the insurgents the US has fought for decades in the Middle East, and ICE agents wrongfully killed a man.

> the "resistance" rings in MN are behaving like the insurgents the US has fought for decades in the Middle East This is a horrifying and very unpariortic thing to say about people who are trying to prevent their daycares from being tear bombed, prevent masked thugs from beating detained law-abiding citizens before releasing them without charges, from masked thugs killing law-abiding people for exercising basic right…

[deleted]

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

#405
Perspective from Central Europe (Austria): I can tell you that essentially nobody here has any doubt that bad faith is at play.

Our mainstream news outlets are openly calling the "official" versions from the Trump administration what they are – lies. The video evidence is clear to anyone watching: this was murder. No amount of spin changes what the footage shows.

As citizens of a country that knows firsthand how fascism begins, we recognize the patterns: the brazen lying in the face of obvious evidence, the dehumanization, the paramilitarized enforcement without accountability. We've seen this playbook before.

What Americans might not fully grasp is how catastrophically the US has damaged its standing abroad. The sentiment here has shifted from "trusted ally" to "unreliable partner we need to become independent from as quickly as possible." The only thing most Europeans still find relevant about the US at this point is Wall Street.

The fact that the FBI is investigating citizens documenting government violence rather than the government agents committing violence tells you everything about where this is heading.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

#406

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the "resistance" rings in MN are behaving like the insurgents the US has fought for decades in the Middle East This is a horrifying and very unpariortic thing to say about people who are trying to prevent their daycares from being tear bombed, prevent masked thugs from beating detained law-abiding citizens before releasing them without charges, from masked thugs killing law-abiding people for exercising basic right…

[flagged]

[dead]

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

#407

> “You cannot create a scenario that illegally entraps and puts law enforcement in harm’s way” Remember when words, at least usually, meant things?

For real, if you're legitimately worried about your officers being legally entrapped, you've got some really untrustworthy officers.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

#408

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm never sure why people assume that Palantir is magically unlike the overwhelming majority of tech startups/companies I've worked at: vastly over promising what is possible to create hype and value while offering things engineering knows will never really quite work like they're advertised. To your point, but on a larger scale, over hyping Palantir has the added benefit of providing a chilling effect on public resi…

If they throw out things like due process and reasonable doubt they can do a whole lot with the data they've collected. That may sound hyperbolic but I hope it's obvious to most people by now that it's not.

They can do parallel construction or use "undercover" informants etc.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

#409

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the "resistance" rings in MN are behaving like the insurgents the US has fought for decades in the Middle East This is a horrifying and very unpariortic thing to say about people who are trying to prevent their daycares from being tear bombed, prevent masked thugs from beating detained law-abiding citizens before releasing them without charges, from masked thugs killing law-abiding people for exercising basic right…

[flagged]

oh good, people on Hacker News Dot Com are taking Nick Shirley at face value.
Post reply on HN