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Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Netherlands,Norway,Sweden,UK

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Re: Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Netherlands,Norway,Sweden,UK

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If the EU is good at one thing, its definitely putting out statements.

You argued it's good for the US to shrink out export markets so goods will be cheaper at home, and that Trump is doing 4d chess. I guess at least now you are being honest and just doing straight snark like a true Trump sycophant.

Re: Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Netherlands,Norway,Sweden,UK

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This isn’t really about Greenland’s strategic value; it’s about the category error. You can trade goods, sign treaties, and negotiate basing rights. You can’t “buy” a people or their sovereignty especially when they don’t consent. That’s why Europe responds with process and principle: normalize coercion-as-bargaining among allies and you’re reviving a pre-1945 model of politics Europe built institutions to prevent. I…

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Greenland already has the right to independence from Denmark, via chapter 8 of the law for the self-governing of Greenland, that was enacted in 2009 [1]:

> The decision on Greenland's independence is made by the Greenlandic people.

Technically, the Danish government has to OK the decision, but this is largely viewed as a formality by Danish politicians, should Greenland choose to move forward with independence.

[1] https://www.retsinformation.dk/eli/lta/2009/473

Re: Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Netherlands,Norway,Sweden,UK

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This isn’t really about Greenland’s strategic value; it’s about the category error. You can trade goods, sign treaties, and negotiate basing rights. You can’t “buy” a people or their sovereignty especially when they don’t consent. That’s why Europe responds with process and principle: normalize coercion-as-bargaining among allies and you’re reviving a pre-1945 model of politics Europe built institutions to prevent. I…

> It’s also lose-lose for the US. Yes. Ian Bremmer keeps pointing out that if the "law of the jungle" becomes the norm for relations between countries, the USA will not benefit as much as autocracies like China and Russia. See https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TLhz6ZbrMuI for a more full-throated explanation from Ian.

Not the case if the US joins the autocracies.

Re: Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Netherlands,Norway,Sweden,UK

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post #280

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In what context? Personally? In rebuilding the Soviet Union? Or in the war?

Not the parent, but getting US to quit NATO won't help his European ambitions. Russia is weak now, and has solidified the European hostility for years to come.

"European hostility" is not going to matter when there's no EU. No matter how weak, Russia will always be stronger in terms of the number of warm bodies they are ready to throw into the meat grinder than any country in Europe.

UPD: If you don't believe me, look at the European right-wing leaders (including a sitting head of state, Meloni) currently banding up behind Orban, a widely known Putin's shill in Europe.

Re: Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Netherlands,Norway,Sweden,UK

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I fail to see what is damning here. What would you even hold a referendum on? Independence? Replacing the arrangement with Denmark with whatever unclear arrangement the US is proposing? If you trust independent polls, you can get a pretty clear picture of where Greenlanders stood as of Feb. 2025: [0] https://www.statista.com/chart/34174/greenlanders-who-would-... [1] https://www.veriangroup.com/news-and-insights/opin…

They'll loot and destroy safety nets and then deport anyone that dissents about the situation.

Re: Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Netherlands,Norway,Sweden,UK

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This isn’t really about Greenland’s strategic value; it’s about the category error. You can trade goods, sign treaties, and negotiate basing rights. You can’t “buy” a people or their sovereignty especially when they don’t consent. That’s why Europe responds with process and principle: normalize coercion-as-bargaining among allies and you’re reviving a pre-1945 model of politics Europe built institutions to prevent. I…

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“Optics” is the wrong frame: this is about legitimacy and consent. A referendum demanded by outsiders under pressure is just coercion with a procedural costume. Imagine Cuba proposing a referendum on Puerto Rico joining Cuba and calling it “bad optics” if people won’t play along, the absurdity is the premise, not the lack of voting.

Re: Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Netherlands,Norway,Sweden,UK

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> an f35 takes them out from 300 miles away. Ah yes, and if I recall, that is how the US won in Vietnam ... oh wait. Your comment is a perfect example of the very problem I described.

Yes, that is exactly how the US "lost" in Vietnam: Not having air power take them out from 300 miles away. I put "lost" in scare quotes because that "loss" is debatable, but that's a debate for another time. The broader context was that the Indochina War was partially concurrent with, and the bulk of the combat only a little more than a decade after, Chinese intervention in the Korean War. The White House was simply…

An "armed insurrection" is not required to deter a state's monopoly on violence - even the mere decentralization of arms across the populace objectively accomplishes this impressive feat.

Re: Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Netherlands,Norway,Sweden,UK

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To people here just a week ago saying it was just insane joking and even MAGA didn't support it, something I pointed out didn't matter, we have moved from 'it's meme'ing' to 'here's why it's good' 'here's why it's needed' 'it's 4d chess' in less than a week. Please NEVER give an inch to this trash that will justify anything. Don't accept 'meme'ing' from an American President by saying 'it's Trump being Trump'. Push b…

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Re: Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Netherlands,Norway,Sweden,UK

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Same, American. I don’t know why we got to be assholes. I prefer speaking softly and carrying a big stick.

Annexing territory was actually way more common back then. US bought the US Virgin Islands from Denmark at around that time.

I think that was much more a cooperative agreement type situation than childish threats like we have now.

I'm not opposed to changes in territory in principle... but there's no principles involved in the current US administration acting out like a fragile child.

Re: Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Netherlands,Norway,Sweden,UK

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The US has some grace here as most of the negative feelings towards it dies with it's government. You're going to pick better next time, right?

Picking better next time won't be enough unless a lot of work is done to put in place safeguards to make it impossible for a future government to act the same way.

Most people do not understand this.
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