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Apple picks Gemini to power Siri

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Re: Apple picks Gemini to power Siri

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Post by lern_too_spel »

MBCook wrote: post #122
LexGray wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought it was Google refusing to provide turn by turn directions? Apple announced last year they are putting their own ads in Maps so if that was the real problem the corporate leadership has done a complete 180 on user experience.

I think Google was withholding them unless Apple was willing to put the ads in. Apple is a very VERY different company than they were back then. Back then they didn’t have all sorts of services that they advertised to you constantly. They didn’t have search ads in the App Store. They weren’t trying to squeeze every penny out of every customer all the time no matter how annoying.

Google Search also has ads in it, but that didn't stop Apple from keeping it as the default, and now Apple is adding ads to Apple Maps. GP is correct. Google withheld turn by turn navigation from the iOS app. There are many deficiencies in the iOS platform, but this one was glaringly visible, forcing Apple's hand.

Re: Apple picks Gemini to power Siri

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Post by plemer »

qq540738209 wrote: post #375

Why is Apple's self-developed AI progressing so slowly that they still need to collaborate with Google? What's going on with their AI team? In this era of AI, it seems like Apple has already fallen behind.

They let others run that costly costly costly race. It's not where Apple is most competitive.

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Post by kshacker »

mschuster91 wrote: post #385
bigyabai wrote: post #357

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That further proves my point that they are monopolies that cannot survive without protectionist intervention.

In the current US environment, no one can survive going against Trump, and as recently evidenced, this is meant literally. The US, for all intents and purposes, is now a kleptocracy. Rule of law, freedom of speech, even court orders, all of that doesn't matter any more in practice. There will always be some way for the federal government to strong-arm anyone into submission.

I do not usually comment on politics but just this one time, and hopefully I can wordsmith it without taking a political stance.

When Trump started his campaign, circa 2011 with the birth certificate, he did not know he will win or not, but he made it his life's mission.

Countering him will take the same zeal. I know we have a precedence of presidents retiring, but unless Obama (and Hillary and Biden and Kamala) hits the streets as the leader of resistance, the resistance will be quelled easily by constant distracting. Yeah maybe AOC, maybe Bernie, maybe someone else, but no ... Trump is smart and dedicated (despite the useful idiot role he plays), he can not be countered by mid-term and full-term campaigns. We are not in Kansas any more. Been a while. The opposition needs a named resistance leader whose full time job is to engage Trump.

Re: Apple picks Gemini to power Siri

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Post by yreg »

JohnMakin wrote: post #136
quitit wrote: post #63

This is a bit of a layer cake: 1. The first issue is that there is significant momentum in calling Siri bad, so even if Apple released a higher quality version it will still be labelled bad. It can enhance the user's life and make their device easier to use, but the overall press will be cherrypicked examples where it did something silly. 2. Basing Siri on Google's Gemini can help to alleviate some of that bad press,…

Siri is objectively bad though. It isn't some vendetta. I am disabled and there are at least 50 different things that I'd love siri to do that should be dead simple , yet it cannot. My favorite one was when I suffered a small but not serious fall, decided to test whether siri could be alerted to call 9-11 while being less than 6 feet away from me, absolutely could not understand let alone execute my request. It's a l…

> Hey Siri, call me an ambulance!

> Alright, from now on I will call you Anne Ambulance.

Re: Apple picks Gemini to power Siri

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Post by rfv6723 »

eimrine wrote: post #13

Why they are constantly so bad at AI but so good at everything else?

See ML research papers from Apple. Their researchers prefered small models over LLM. So they thought researchers' effort would make up the lack of compute. Then the scale law hit them hard.

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Post by inferiorhuman »

anamexis wrote: post #318
TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #230

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It's a very low baseline with Siri, so almost anything would be an improvement.

The point is that once Siri is switched to a Gemini-based model, the baseline presumably won't be low anymore.

Doubt it. Of all the issues I run into with Siri none could be solved by throwing AI slop at it. Case in point: if I ask Siri to play an album and it can't match the album name it just plays some random shit instead of erroring out.

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Post by mcny »

ohyoutravel wrote: post #393
woah wrote: post #321

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Siri to function above the level of Dragon NaturallySpeaking '95

Fantastic reference. I remember pirating this from microcrap.com in about 1996.

> 1996

I'm chuckling at the idea of pirating software in 1996.

iirc even in 1999, I couldn't figure out why Windows update required me to use internet exploder. It would take forever to download updates over dialup.

Re: Apple picks Gemini to power Siri

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Post by aurareturn »

elzbardico wrote: post #172
aurareturn wrote: post #150

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Seems like there is a moat after all. The moat is talent, culture, and compute. Apple doesn't have any of these 3 for SOTA AI.

It is more like Apple have no need to spend billions on training with questionable ROI when it can just rent from one of the commodity foundation model labs.

It’s such a commodity that there are only 3 SOTA labs left and no one can catch them. I’m sure it’ll be consolidated further in the future and you’re going to be left with a natural monopoly or duopoly.

Apple has no control over the most important change to tech. They have control to Google.

Re: Apple picks Gemini to power Siri

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Post by bigyabai »

ggm wrote: post #341

I think this is a good move for Apple. It avoids tying them directly to internalised beliefs in their own AI model, it avoids all the capex around building out an AI engine and associated DC, it reduces risk, and it keeps google in a relationship under contract which google will value, and probably value enough to think hard about stupid legal games regarding Playstore and walled gardens. Apple plainly doesn't believ…

> they will ultimately take ownership.

How? People have been saying this since CoreML dropped nine years ago. Apple is no closer to revamping Siri or rebuking CUDA than they were back then.

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