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Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by heraldgeezer »

garbawarb wrote: post #291
phkahler wrote: post #191

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>> I walk 4km to work when its nice out here in Europe. Could I do that in the USA? I had a business trip to Germany (from the US) and found it enlightening. We all went out to eat after work one night and a couple of the local Germans had to walk 20 minutes from the restaurant to the train station to go home and didn't think anything of it. It wasn't a big deal to walk, but you'd never do that here in the US - or at…

That's not uncommon in New York either.

One (1) city in the USA with 10million people vs most of Europe depending on how urban it is.

My small Swedish town of 50k has buses going everywhere every 10min. An American town of 50k is a village where there is maybe 1 bus line.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by lm28469 »

carlosjobim wrote: post #302
lm28469 wrote: post #173

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idk about them but to me people who don't value their own life and well being to that point are repulsive to me. Such a lack of discipline and self esteem, if you can't even control what you put in your mouth what can you even control? Why even bother if all you're capable of doing is mindless consumption? What can I trust you with if you can't even be trusted with yourself? Also from a purely financial pov they're a…

People are cable of recreating themselves and digging themselves out of holes, sometimes even to later become greatly admirable. An Ozempic cure might be just the right push needed for someone to start a healthy cycle, which then has massive beneficial effects in all aspects of life for that person, as well as for others. > Also from a purely financial pov they're a a major strain on the healthcare system Except for…

> Except for victims of crime, you cannot point to a single adult receiving healthcare services, who is not to blame for "burdening the system". Whether that is obesity as you mention, or chronic injuries, or sports injuries, or traffic accidents, work accidents, any disease spread by virus or bacteria, and so on. All of those could be avoidable, and the patient is solely to blame for that and for "burdening the system".

Some are way more avoidable, and much more of a burden (cig, alcohol, obesity, &c.). Nobody's upset at old people who get the flu and use an ICU bed. But if you're 40, smoking, obese and get the flu imho you're ripping what you sow and I won't be crying for your demise.

> Europeans bla bla bla

If you want to go into caricature I could tell you Americans are trying to recreate Matrix style pods, for them it would be paradise, you could go from birth to death without any single inconvenience. All of your problems come from over consumption... of foods, of medicine, of tech, and you keep piling more on top of it thinking the next layer will solve the previous layer's consequences.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by lm28469 »

mullingitover wrote: post #342
lm28469 wrote: post #156

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> there is also a genetic struggle as well. Weird that it virtually did not exist pre ww2 and that it now affects 75%+ of your population

Not remotely weird: people were poorer and food was more scarce across the board pre-WWII.

But how did people survive their craving, they must have all been completely on the verge of insanity right?

Are all these lean and healthy people from archive videos actually suffering and in distress? Poor souls...

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by vintermann »

hyperpape wrote: post #95
vintermann wrote: post #30

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It's a prediction. Not a terribly unreasonable one as far as I can see. If a drug can move 5% of the ~trillion dollars spent on groceries in the US, there's a lot of money available for clawing those 5% back. Demanding evidence for predictions like this is a bit... hm. Arrogant, maybe. A prediction is a commitment. We want people to make predictions. The evidence we get when those predictions come true or not. Would…

I predict you’ll retract this comment. I don’t have any evidence that you will, but since you seem to think that’s ok, here goes!

It IS OK. You're on.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by rootusrootus »

aucisson_masque wrote: post #128

> Notably, about one-third of users stopped taking the medication during the study period. When they did, their food spending reverted to pre-adoption levels – and their grocery baskets became slightly less healthy than before they started That’s very interesting and it confirms what i thought about this drug. It’s a life long commitment. As soon as you stop, you end up becoming your old self whereas you don’t lose a…

> It’s a life long commitment

Yes, it is managing a chronic disease, you can expect to take it indefinitely. People suggesting otherwise are doing a disservice. Especially when they are medical professionals who should know better.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by cortesoft »

lm28469 wrote: post #156
brianpbeau wrote: post #71

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It's not just processed foods, there is also a genetic struggle as well. Looking at my family living in the US and in the EU, being overweight is a thing for a large portion of us. Even in my grandparents generation of family had issues as well, and they were all blue collar manual workers that lived before processed foods. This is not to say you are wrong. The food supply in the US is not healthy. The bad news is th…

> there is also a genetic struggle as well. Weird that it virtually did not exist pre ww2 and that it now affects 75%+ of your population

Because genetics alone aren't enough, you also have to have opportunity.

If you don't have enough food, no one is going to be fat. If you have plenty of food availability, then certain people are going to have genetics that make it more likely they end up fat.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by phil21 »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #327
FatherOfCurses wrote: post #285

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Tons of Americans want to eat healthy but don't have the energy/time/access. It's easy to cook healthy for yourself if you're single, have a good work/life balance, and have a grocery store nearby. There are a lot of Americans who eat fast food on the go because it's their only option (or they haven't been educated on how to get healthy food quickly). Others have lives where job and family responsibilities sap so muc…

This is narrative ignores consumer preference. A salad can be delivered as easily as a pizza.

If you start looking around at the world you will likely start to notice an inverse correlation between those with “little free time due to working three jobs” and the amount of junk they feed their families.

Turns out that if you care enough and have the work ethic to grind out that sort of living to better your family, you also tend to care what kind of foods they eat.

There are of course seasons in everyone’s lives - but this observation has held generally true no matter the demographic or geographic location I’ve lived around.

I was obese - there is no intended judgement here for folks who struggle with it. I did for the better part of my adult life. The social tropes are simply unhelpful.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by vovavili »

c0nducktr wrote: post #344
vovavili wrote: post #225

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There is no way approximately one-sixth of a population are taking GLP-1 strictly for legitimate health issues.

Obesity is a legitimate health issue.

I would rephrase it as "lacking high sense of self-control leads to legitimate health issues".

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by vintermann »

brokensegue wrote: post #70
vintermann wrote: post #30

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It's a prediction. Not a terribly unreasonable one as far as I can see. If a drug can move 5% of the ~trillion dollars spent on groceries in the US, there's a lot of money available for clawing those 5% back. Demanding evidence for predictions like this is a bit... hm. Arrogant, maybe. A prediction is a commitment. We want people to make predictions. The evidence we get when those predictions come true or not. Would…

Why wouldn't they have already been looking for a way to make their food more palatable? There was already a lot of money on the line

I think if there were certain foods which, for some reason, aren't as affected by Ozempic-type drugs' (GLP-1 agonists?) appetite suppression effect - and I'm not an expert, but I totally wouldn't be surprised if there was - then I think the food industry would be very interested in finding them.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by lm28469 »

staticassertion wrote: post #374
lm28469 wrote: post #207

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I have access to the same food as everyone else, I also have craving as everyone else, but as hairless monkeys we evolved a brain able to bypass instant rewards for future goals. My step dad was obese and blamed everything and everyone but himself. We installed an app to count calories on his ipad, he lost 1/3rd of his bodyweight in less than a year and he's now cruising at an healthy weight, it really isn't rocket s…

> I also have craving as everyone else, I laughed at loud at this. What an insane thing to claim. "I can experience the qualia of others, quantify it, and claim that mine is identical" lol Also it's empirically false that all people experience the same level of craving. We have studies demonstrating different dopamine responses etc.

The obesity rate in the US tripled in 45 years... so clearly it's not about genetics or cravings. People had the same genetics, cravings and access to calories in 1980 USA as today, we're not talking 1580 here.
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