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Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by mixmastamyk »

TuringNYC wrote: post #321

As a child of the 1980s, I feel so cheated that we were told to eat "5 servings of grains a day" pointing to bread and pasta -- when so many breads have added sugar and so much pasta has added sugar in the sauce. How did no one speak up? Would people ever have spoken up if we didnt have social media?

3-2-4-4 / day, I was told in California. Excess grains made sense in the old days when food was more expensive. Grains are cheap and easily stored. They powered progress through the 19th and 20th centuries, and only became problematic for the majority when physical labor became less common, simultaneously with the low-fat craze.

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Avshalom wrote: post #79
tonyedgecombe wrote: post #45

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Or maybe the combination is the problem. I couldn’t consume much sugar on its own nor much cream but put the two together in ice cream and I could eat it all day long.

No no, ice cream is good for you. It's fine.

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Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by devilsdata »

nomel wrote: post #379
devilsdata wrote: post #360

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So that ends up being roughly 20 grams of saturated fat. I still consider that quite high, given that there is a strong correlation between saturated fat consumption and CVD.

> there is a strong correlation between saturated fat consumption and CVD Reference? Many of the old studies have been proven flawed and, no surprise, corrupt [1]. Recent studies seem to suggest that it's only linked for some people. Disclaimer: I am nearly uneducated with this topic, but find it increasingly hard to trust anything nutrition related, where big money is involved. [1] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/artic…

While I don't have studies on hand, I recommend watching `Viva Longevity!` on YouTube. He makes a case for the Ancel Keys studies, and why saturated fat is bad and why fiber is good.

It's been nearly a year or two since I've looked into it, but basically there is a lot of money in marketing for the beef and dairy industries, and that includes lobbying and influencing the outcomes of scientific studies. It's worth scrutinising claims against the Ancel Keys studies soley based on the fact, in my opinion.

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by tbirdny »

devilsdata wrote: post #338
brodouevencode wrote: post #199

The new dietary guidelines are much more sensible IMO, compared to the food pyramid or MyPlate. https://cdn.realfood.gov/DGA.pdf

It recommends eating more saturated fats from dairy and meat, both of which are very bad for CVD.

"The recommendation to limit dietary saturated fatty acid (SFA) intake has persisted despite mounting evidence to the contrary. Most recent meta-analyses of randomized trials and observational studies found no beneficial effects of reducing SFA intake on cardiovascular disease (CVD) and total mortality, and instead found protective effects against stroke." PMID 32562735 - Jun 2020, Journal of the American College of Cardiology

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by StopDisinfo910 »

lithocarpus wrote: post #71
StopDisinfo910 wrote: post #46

A casual look at where people live the oldest, what they eat, and what's recommended tell you all you need to know about food recommendations then and now. It's a field where actual long term controlled experiments are impossible, confounding variables are everywhere, and multiple lobbies have vested interests in the outcomes. I take everything with a grain of salt apart from studies of harm when sources are credible…

I think avoiding industrially processed food is wise, but it eliminates 99% of restaurant food and 90% of prepared food in almost any setting, only exception being about half the stuff at a salad bar. Almost everything that isn't a single ingredient whole plant or animal food contains industrially processed oil or sweetener/starch. Still worth doing imho but I understand why it's not easy for most people.

It doesn't have to be a religion. I don't care when I eat out. The point is not to be absolutely consistant. It's just the guideline I use regarding what I eat.

I don't really eat prepared food. I mostly buy whole food to be used as ingredients. Cooking simple meals is not particularly hard. I think most people overestimate the complexity and time requirement involved.

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by spot5010 »

oxag3n wrote: post #335

Do your own research, it's not that hard: * Select a subset of diets that might fit your lifestyle. * Make a list of categories you consume: refined sugars, all kinds of fats, gluten, dairy. * Look for published papers on diets and categories. I did a few dramatic changes throughout my life based on researches I did, not the hype. The first one was refined sugars for me and my kids - they didn't have a single cavity…

How strict was your elimination of sugar? Did you find a gradual trend of your lipid profile over the course of a year, or was it more sudden?

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by 8bitsrule »

teej wrote: post #236
stephenhuey wrote: post #75

Here’s a gift link to a NYT article that was posted a few minutes ago: Kennedy Flips Food Pyramid to Emphasize Red Meat and Whole Milk https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/07/well/rfk-jr-food-pyramid-...

The food pyramid was published by the department of agriculture, it’s always been propaganda.

Thanks to the dedicated work of Edward Bernays... nephew of Sigmund Freud ... and the Creel Committee

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_on_Public_Informatio...

When Lucky Strike needed more women to smoke cigarettes in the late 1920s, it turned to Bernays.

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by mcmoor »

prmph wrote: post #330
overgard wrote: post #290

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Is it really that exhausting though? I've been on a zero-carb diet for two months (other than thanksgiving or christmas), and it really hasn't been hard at all. If I eat at a restaurant there's some things I can't avoid (seed oils), but otherwise it's not too hard to look at a menu and see things I can eat. The only hard part is to be optimally healthy I need to cook for myself, but that's always been true. In a lot…

Yet you are unavoidably eating micro-plastics too, which have been linked to adverse CV events. Also: - If you are eating more fish (as opposed to eating meat), you are likely consuming more mercury. - If you are eating more fresh veggies you are probably ingesting more pesticides. - If you are easting dark chocolate for its health benefits, you are also ingesting cadmium and other heavy metals. So all the above shou…

Funnily I've heard that one reason why obesity is prevalent is that we have too many variations of food. Seems like our hunger controller suspends satiety when we eat a food too much, but when we eat few of lots of different foods, it's broken.

It'd be funny if lots of fad diets actually works because people are forced to eat a single type of food and that's entirely enough for it.

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by cyberax »

BirAdam wrote: post #329
hinkley wrote: post #257

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And the muscles. You can’t fight or flight if you have to ask the liver to deliver glycogen. That’s how anaerobic exercise works. You have the fuel but not enough oxygen to burn it so you burn it fuel rich and oxidizer poor.

Not quite. The body will just enter ketosis if glucose and glycogen levels are too low.

The grandparent means something a bit different. Muscles can use glucose without _oxygen_ to get short bursts of energy quickly by rearranging glucose molecules (indirectly) into lactic acid.

Ketones can't be used for this purpose.

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by jibe »

astura wrote: post #327
jibe wrote: post #324

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When you take a high satiety, high fat item, and replace it with a non-fat, low satiety item, you are in effect replacing fat with sugar, because you will eat/drink more of it to get same number of calories, and same amount of fullness.

Milk is not high satiety, come on now.

Drink a glass of whole milk, then drink a cup of skim milk and tell me there is no difference. Try the same with full fat yogurt and non-fat yogurt. Big difference in satiety, but more importantly blood sugar response. Roughly the same amount of fat in a glass of whole milk as 1/4 pound burger.
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