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What an unprocessed photo looks like

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Re: What an unprocessed photo looks like

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post #396

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The author makes this error every single time, in both articles by him I've read today. For some reason, as a person whose native language is not English, this particular error pisses me off so much.

We should blame English's crazy spelling system, not the author.

Having two words that are spelled almost the same way is not a "crazy spelling system". Every language has that.

Re: What an unprocessed photo looks like

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post #260

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didn't even notice the em dashes to be honest, i noticed the contrast framing in the second paragraph and the "It's impressive how" for its conclusion. as for the "assumption" bit, yeah fair enough. was just curious of AI usage online, this wasn't meant to be a dig at anyone as i know people use it for translations, cleaning up prose etc

No offense taken, but realize that good number of us folks who have learned English as a second language have been taught in this way (especially in an academic setting). LLMs' writing are like that of people, not the other way around.

wouldn't say that... they're very distinctly not like people, that's (part of) the problem. But I don't think the difference is measured exactly in the choices of words and punctuation. It's more like... you can tell, reading AI writing, that it's not "sincere"; no person would want to say what the AI is saying, because it feels fake and disingenuous. The phrases and em dashes and whatever else are just the method for this effect. Real people use the same phrases but with real intent to communicate behind them, and the result is different in a way that is curiously easy to detect.

Re: What an unprocessed photo looks like

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post #187

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You can always edit the RAW files from the camera, which essentially means working with the same data the camera chip had to generate the JPEGs.

Not quite. At the very least, the RAW file is a static file. Whereas your camera chip can make interactive decisions. In any case, RAW files aren't even all that raw. First, they are digitised. They often apply de-noising, digital conditioning (to take care of hot and dead pixels), lens correction. Some cameras even apply some lossy compression.

In my experience with the NEF files generated from my Nikon D5500 these RAW files have no denoising at all, no lenas correction, they keep the hot pixels and the RAW compression is visually lossless (I keep 14bits of color data).

Most cameras nowadays offer lossless RAW files, mine is entry level and a bit old already. I fix all of those things you cited through Darktable, which offers a scene referred workflow.

Basically all cameras cameras do offer compression for RAW files, but most times that's just lossless compression (i.e. no data is lost). Do you have any source to back your claims?

Re: What an unprocessed photo looks like

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But that qualifier in stupid because there’s no start or stopping point for ultra processed versus all foods. Is cheese an ultra-processed food? Is wine?

There actually is a stopping point , and the definition of ultra processed food versus processed food is often drawn at the line where you can expect someone in their home kitchen to be able to do the processing. So, the question kind of goes whether or not you would expect someone to be able to make cheese or wine at home. I think there you would find it natural to conclude that there's a difference between a Cheeto…

There actually is no agreed-upon definition of "ultra-processed foods", and it's much murkier than you make it out to be. Not to mention that "can't be made at home" and "is bad for you" are entirely orthogonal qualities.

Re: What an unprocessed photo looks like

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The cones are the colour sensitive portion of the retina, but only make up a small percent of all the light detecting cells. The rods (more or less the brightness detecting cells) would still function in a deuteranopic person, so their luminance perception would basically be unaffected. Also there’s something to be said about the fact that the eye is a squishy analog device, and so even if the medium wavelengths cone…

The rods are only active in low-light conditions; they're fully active under the moon and stars, or partially active under a dim street light. Under normal lighting conditions, every rod is fully saturated, so they make no contribution to vision. (Some recent papers have pushed back against this orthodox model of rods and cones, but it's good enough for practical use.) This assumption that rods are "the luminance cel…

Consider myself educated, thanks!

Re: What an unprocessed photo looks like

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But that was the point the OP was making. Not that you couldn’t differentiate between white balance correction and generative fill, but rather that the intent of the change matters for determining if an image is “fake”. For example, I took a picture of my dog at the dog park the other day. I didn’t notice when framing the picture but on review at home, right smack in the middle of the lower 3rd of the photo and conve…

Well you changed the photo from an accurate representation of the scene into what you felt like it should be. The photo is no longer "real" but a story. Stories tell us things that are true too, but not in a physical evidence kind of way.

And this is why I think intent matters more than the tools. Lets say I had framed the photo when I took it such that the turd was not in the frame. Is that a "fake" photo because I framed it in such a way as to exclude something that was there?

And if shot composition doesn't make it fake, what if I cropped the photo after the fact? I'm removing something the camera captured to better make the picture what I "felt like it should be" just using the removal tool. That's functionally no different from framing the shot differently, but it's modifying the actual captured image.

If we decide that removal, whether by framing or by post-hoc cropping is still "real" and it's the use of a tool that adds something that wasn't there, would the same apply to just cutting a square out of the photo without cropping the rest of the frame? A transparent square would be an interesting artistic choice for sure, but does that then get into the realm of "fake"? What if the square is black or white? Is adding a clearly "post process censor bar" crossing a line into making the photo "fake"?

If those are fine, it's the "adding content that looks like it should be there" is the problem, does that mean that dust or hair removal to remove something that was on the lens make it fake since that would also have to generate what the computer thinks is behind that hair or dust speck?

For what it's worth, I don't think there is a hard line here, like I said intent matters. But I do think that figuring out where ones personal and general lines are and when they might move that line or not is an interesting thought experiment.

Re: What an unprocessed photo looks like

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Well you changed the photo from an accurate representation of the scene into what you felt like it should be. The photo is no longer "real" but a story. Stories tell us things that are true too, but not in a physical evidence kind of way.

And this is why I think intent matters more than the tools. Lets say I had framed the photo when I took it such that the turd was not in the frame. Is that a "fake" photo because I framed it in such a way as to exclude something that was there? And if shot composition doesn't make it fake, what if I cropped the photo after the fact? I'm removing something the camera captured to better make the picture what I "felt li…

I think you're right, framing of the shot absolutely tells a story, but at the same time, when you can trust the veracity of the frame content at least you can say something about the real world even if you have to acknowledge there is a possibility of something just off-screen that would change your interpretation of events. Sometimes, the contents of the image betray that the real world diverges significantly from the author's intent, for example, by allowing you to deduce that what is claimed is actually impossible. So there is significant value in "real" images.

Re: What an unprocessed photo looks like

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post #240

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Yup. I had the same revelation when I learned that many of the colors we perceive don't really "exist". The closest thing to hue in nature is wavelength, but there is no wavelength for purple, for example. The color purple is our visual system's interpretation of data (ratio of trichromatic cone cell activation). It doesn't exist by itself. It's the same reason that allows RGB screens to work. No screen has ever prod…

All colors exist. Color is not the same as wavelength, color is the human perception of a collection of one or more wavelengths of light. They are all real.

That‘s exactly what I thought I had said. Something might have gotten lost in translation, sorry bout that.

Re: What an unprocessed photo looks like

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post #215

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iOS added a camera mode for medical photos that extra doesn't do that. https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2024/10162/

Huh wonder which camera apps enable use of this API?

This is one:

https://halide.cam

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