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This is not the future

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Re: This is not the future

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Post by array_key_first »

tolerance wrote: post #245
polshaw wrote: post #231

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Your introductory paragraph comes across very much like "people who want to change the status quo are political and people who want to maintain it are not"; which is clearly nonsense. "how things are is how they should be" is as much of an ideology, just a less conspicuous one given the existing norms. >Is my choice to write some boiler plate code using gen AI truly political? I am much closer to agreeing with your t…

> Your introductory paragraph comes across very much like "people who want to change the status quo are political and people who want to maintain it are not"; which is clearly nonsense. "how things are is how they should be" is as much of an ideology, just a less conspicuous one given the existing norms. With respect, I’m curious how you read all of that out of what they said...and whether it actually proves their re…

He's alluding to here that people who believe everything is political are more extremist in their views. Meaning, those who are moderate or more middle ground typically do not believe everything is political. It's implying that doing nothing or maintaining the status quo is inherently not a political action.

But of course, it is, and we have practically infinite historical examples to show that. The status quo does not exist on its own, it's a product of the dominant ideology, which is an ideology.

Re: This is not the future

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Post by SecondHandTofu »

tinco wrote: post #151
lekevicius wrote: post #28

I do disagree that some of these were not inevitable. Let me deconstruct a couple: > Tiktok is not inevitable. TikTok the app and company, not inevitable. Short form video as the medium, and algorithm that samples entire catalog (vs just followers) were inevitable. Short form video follows gradual escalation of most engaging content formats, with legacy stretching from short-form-text in Twitter, short-form-photo in…

The author doesn't mean that the technologies weren't inevitable in the absolute sense. They mean that it was not inevitable that anyone should use those technologies. It's not inevitable that they will use Tiktok, and it is not inevitable for anyone, I've never used Tiktok, so the author is right in that regard. If you disavow short form video as a medium altogether, something I'm strongly considering, then you can.…

Has that ever worked at scale in history? This strikes me as the same as people who take a stand by not ordering from Amazon or not using whichever service, they make their life somewhat harder and the world doesn't notice. Even worse, the people taking a stand signal to others that they do it, but most others think that the cost outweighs the benefit, and don't like being judged. Groups in which everyone signals and judges like that suck and devolve into purity spiraling, so few people sustain it, and the people taking a stand get bitter.

Co-ordination problems are the hardest problems.

Re: This is not the future

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Post by jobs_throwaway »

daveguy wrote: post #396
jobs_throwaway wrote: post #382

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What have I said that indicates worship? I am simply pointing out that what you claimed was objectively false, and in response you moved the goalposts.

Your statements of faith included: > Currency that can't be inflated... [seriously? the fact that you didn't even recognize that as a statement of faith, well...] > Outside of pure utility, they have tons of ideological reason to exist I mean, maybe you're in a repressive regime and really need a way to fight the system. But I'm guessing you just have faith in crypto ideology. Either way, have a great day!

Lmao

Please explain how bitcoin can be inflated

And recognizing a movement has ideological reasons while making no claim as to the strength or rationality of those reasons has nothing to do with faith

Re: This is not the future

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Post by cons0le »

underlipton wrote: post #397
cons0le wrote: post #353

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Because none of these AI tech bros give a dam about music. I thought with ai we would be able to put all the "timbres" of instruments into vector database and create a truly new instrument sound. Like making a new color for the first time. But no we get none of that. We get mega shitty corporate covers. I would rather hear music that's a little bad than artificially perfect sounding.

Micronotal instruments get close to hitting that spot for me. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/N19WNiy-T0M https://www.youtube.com/shorts/o-IMV5OLCsU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjcQyQYhA7g

My friend has one of these, but they never caught on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2syqXx97LE

Re: This is not the future

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Post by tolerance »

array_key_first wrote: post #401
tolerance wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Your introductory paragraph comes across very much like "people who want to change the status quo are political and people who want to maintain it are not"; which is clearly nonsense. "how things are is how they should be" is as much of an ideology, just a less conspicuous one given the existing norms. With respect, I’m curious how you read all of that out of what they said...and whether it actually proves their re…

He's alluding to here that people who believe everything is political are more extremist in their views. Meaning, those who are moderate or more middle ground typically do not believe everything is political. It's implying that doing nothing or maintaining the status quo is inherently not a political action. But of course, it is, and we have practically infinite historical examples to show that. The status quo does n…

I understand what you think he means but I want to know how you came to those conclusions.

Re: This is not the future

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Post by trinsic2 »

JuniperMesos wrote: post #342
trinsic2 wrote: post #111

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One person has more impact than you think. Many times it's one person that is speaking what's on the mind of many and that speaking out can bring the courage to do what needs to be done for many people that sitting on the fence. The Andor TV series really taught me that. I'm working on a presentation of surveillance capitalism that I plan to show to my community. It's going to be an interesting future. Some will side…

You realize surveillance capitalism is what caused the Andor TV show (and more broadly the entire Star Wars franchise) to exist at all, right? Gigantic corporate entities have made a lot of money from monetizing the Star Wars franchise. I'll say frankly that I personally object to Star Wars on an aesthetic level - it is ultimately an artistically-flawed media franchise even if it has some genuinely compelling ideas s…

We can't blink without involving some corporation into our creative process. I think Tony Gilroy has some interesting things to say about our world with-in the Andor TV series. Its not an easy map. The character arcs, when the are based on the truth of the situation can help people change their way of thinking.

I never got anything out of the original Star Wars films except heroes and villains. Andor is on a completely different level then the original Star wars world IMHO.

Some times you got to use whats available to you. I do think that we are living in an evil time and in order to change that story, we are going to have to envision something different. I think good stories can help us do that, regardless of how they are funded. Corporations will sell you the rope to hang themselves. They don't care what happens, only that they make money, and I think that will be there downfall at some point.

Re: This is not the future

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Post by daveguy »

jobs_throwaway wrote: post #403
daveguy wrote: post #396

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Your statements of faith included: > Currency that can't be inflated... [seriously? the fact that you didn't even recognize that as a statement of faith, well...] > Outside of pure utility, they have tons of ideological reason to exist I mean, maybe you're in a repressive regime and really need a way to fight the system. But I'm guessing you just have faith in crypto ideology. Either way, have a great day!

Lmao Please explain how bitcoin can be inflated And recognizing a movement has ideological reasons while making no claim as to the strength or rationality of those reasons has nothing to do with faith

> Please explain how bitcoin can be inflated

Make up a stable coin and pretend it has real money behind it while refusing to submit to an independent audit.

Any other requests, buddy?

Re: This is not the future

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Post by xvector »

ReliantGuyZ wrote: post #269
xvector wrote: post #217

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One thing I've noticed - artists view their own job as more valuable, more sacred, more important than virtually any other person's job. They canonize themselves, and then act all shocked and offended when the rest of the world doesn't share their belief. Obviously the existence of AI is valuable enough to pay the cost of offsetting a few artists' jobs, it's not even a question to us, but to artists it's shocking and…

It's shocking and offensive to artists and to like-minded others because AI labs have based the product that is replacing them off of their existing labor with no compensation . It would be one thing to build a computerized artist that out-competes human artists on merit (arguably happening now), this has happened to dozens of professions over hundreds of years. But the fact that it was built directly off of their pa…

compensation for previous products just hasn't been the norm, and if it becomes the norm, countless humans will suffer due to the slowing of progress.

we will never be able to automate anything because the risk:reward ratio simply won't be there if you have to pay off millions/billions of people. progress will grind to a halt but i guess we'll have preserved some archaic jobs while our children are denied a better world

certainly the Industrial Revolution would never have happened with this mindset

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