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I'm Kenyan. I don't write like ChatGPT, ChatGPT writes like me

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Re: I'm Kenyan. I don't write like ChatGPT, ChatGPT writes like me

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Post by lynndotpy »

zahlman wrote: post #304
lynndotpy wrote: post #164

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I'm definitely in the "ChatGPT writes like me" experience. I am a big fan of lists, and of using formatting to make it all legible on a short skim. I'm a big fan of dyslexia-friendly writing too, even though I am not dyslexic myslef. I can't blame others though- I was looking at notes I wrote in 2019 and even that gave me a flavor of looking like a ChatGPT wrote it. I use the word "delve" and "not just X but also Y o…

> dyslexia-friendly writing ... How does that work, exactly?

Bullet points and formatting are the main thing. Assume the audience is smart and can fill in between the bold text. I also try to make headlines a summary / takeaway of the content if it makes sense.

Re: I'm Kenyan. I don't write like ChatGPT, ChatGPT writes like me

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Post by kazinator »

komali2 wrote: post #349
phantasmish wrote: post #335

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Crunched.

Glomped. Oozed.

He vermiculated obliquely toward Helen, and from a yet comfortable distance mumbled a barely audible request for permission to ask how she's doing.

Re: I'm Kenyan. I don't write like ChatGPT, ChatGPT writes like me

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Post by aomix »

yomismoaqui wrote: post #163
komali2 wrote: post #80

> There were unspoken rules, commandments passed down from teacher to student, year after year. The first commandment? Thou shalt begin with a proverb or a powerful opening statement. “Haste makes waste,” we would write, before launching into a tale about rushing to the market and forgetting the money. The second? Thou shalt demonstrate a wide vocabulary. You didn’t just ‘walk’; you ‘strode purposefully’, ‘trudged we…

This is like programming, you start with simple code because you don't know anything else. Then you start learning more & more abstraction (classes, patterns, monads...). In the end you strive to write simple code, just like at the beginning.

"I would have written a shorter letter, but did not have the time." is my favorite quote for that

Re: I'm Kenyan. I don't write like ChatGPT, ChatGPT writes like me

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Post by protocolture »

clevergadget wrote: post #397
protocolture wrote: post #387

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>I'm a native English speaker that studied writing in university I am a native english speaker who had to unlearn OP's writing style to pass my tertiary education. In particular I sat an english bridging course for non english speakers. I was often told off for "editorialising" and wasting space with useless descriptions.

til we go out of our way to make our writers boring...

Well I wasnt studying narrative, but I wouldn't have been good at that either.

Re: I'm Kenyan. I don't write like ChatGPT, ChatGPT writes like me

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Post by [deleted] »

Guestmodinfo wrote: post #396
layer8 wrote: post #332

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These actually all mean different things.

It's a pain to read your reply because it's wrong. The poster you're replying to correctly wrote the phrases and you are trying to malign his or her painstaking work by such a low effort reply without explaining exactly where he or she is wrong

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Re: I'm Kenyan. I don't write like ChatGPT, ChatGPT writes like me

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Post by Aperocky »

aleph_minus_one wrote: post #325
dgan wrote: post #241

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I consider myself fluent in English, I watch technical talks and casual youtubers on English daily, and this is the first time I encounter this word lol. The only "stride" I know relates to the gap betweeb heterogeneous elements in a contiguous array

> I consider myself fluent in English, I watch technical talks and casual youtubers on English daily, and this is the first time I encounter this word lol. > The only "stride" I know relates to the gap betweeb heterogeneous elements in a contiguous array I am also not a native English speaker, but I got to know the verb to "to stride" from The Lord of the Rings: Aragorn is originally introduced under the name "Stride…

Or if you spent any time on an elliptical or treadmill.

Re: I'm Kenyan. I don't write like ChatGPT, ChatGPT writes like me

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Post by mwigdahl »

komali2 wrote: post #315
phantasmish wrote: post #279

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"He scrambled up to Helen and asked, 'What are you doing?'" "He kick-flipped up to Helen and asked, 'What are you doing?'" [edit] electric-slid! Pirouetted! Somersaulted!

Maneuvered, marched, slid over to, snuck up on/to, rolled on up to, ambled, thread his way through the crowd to, slithered, slunk. Pimp walked. Danced over to. Hopped over to. Sprinted! Jogged! Charged!

Scooted!

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Post by hsn915 »

GMoromisato wrote: post #262
phantasmish wrote: post #212

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Obsession with short sentences and generally pushing extreme simplicity of structure and word choice has been terrible for English prose. It’s not been terrible because most people aren’t aided by such guidance (most are) but because the same people who can’t be trusted to wield a quill without the bumper-lanes installed see a sentence longer than ten words, or a semicolon, or god forbid literate and appropriate nuan…

"He walked up to Helen and asked, 'What are you doing?'" "He strode up to Helen and asked, 'What are you doing?'" "He sidled up to Helen and asked, 'What are you doing?'" "He tromped up to Helen and asked, 'What are you doing?'" Each of those sentences conveys as slightly different action. You can almost imagine the person's face has a different expression in each version. Yes, I hate it when amateurs just search/rep…

Non-native English speaker here.

I would not understand the last two sentences. Sidle? Tromp? I don't think I've seen these words enough times for them to register in my mind.

"Strode", I would probably understand after a few seconds of squeezing my brain. I mean, I sort of know "stride", but not as an action someone would take. Rather as the number of bytes a row of pixels takes in a pixel buffer. I would have to extrapolate what the original "daily English" equivalent must have been.

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Post by lupire »

matthewkayin wrote: post #237
echelon_musk wrote: post #221

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Are you an English speaking American? Because being a native English speaker and actually being English, or from a former English colony will differ. I'd characterise Americans as less pretentious and more straight talking. This kind flowery language is typical (or symptomatic depending on diagnosis) of how English people actually used to speak and write. The average English vocabulary has dwindled noticeably in my l…

It's most likely that they are. As farfetched as this sounds, the CIA and the Iowa Writers' Workshop influenced American writing a great deal, encouraging writing to be taught in the "American" / Hemingway style. > “the American MFA system, spearheaded by the infamous Iowa Writers’ Workshop” as a “content farm” first designed to optimize for “the spread of anti-Communist propaganda through highbrow literature.” Its a…

Dos Passos and Hemingway were both American.

The CIA's problem with Dos Passos was that the was left-wing.

Re: I'm Kenyan. I don't write like ChatGPT, ChatGPT writes like me

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Post by lupire »

alex43578 wrote: post #275
cibyr wrote: post #269

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Sometimes I wonder if the throat-clearing is an indispensable part of getting to the "good bits" that follow. Like, do those extra tokens give it more "room to think" even if they're basically meaningless in themselves?

Isn’t that the point of the hidden chain of thought tokens, rather than the visible cruft? I think the fluff, the emojis, the sycophancy is all symptomatic of the training process and human feedback.

I thought PP was saying that the "Thinking" text is only used for one turn, and the response text is the compressed thinking that survives into future turns.
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