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UK House of Lords attempting to ban use of VPNs by anyone under 16

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Post by bamboozled »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #121
azalemeth wrote: post #54

It's also worth stating that the worst part of that proposed amendment [1] isn't even necessarily the VPN ban, it's the next clause, on page 20: "The “CSAM requirement” is that any relevant device supplied for use in the UK must have installed tamper-proof system software which is highly effective at preventing the recording, transmitting (by any means, including livestreaming) and viewing of CSAM using that device."…

> any relevant device supplied for use in the UK must have installed tamper-proof system software It's happening. Computer freedom, everything the word "hacker" ever stood for, will be officially destroyed if this passes. We're about to be robbed of control over our computers by force of law . It's just the UK now but eventually it will be every country. This is a very dark day. I've been prophesizing its arrival for…

Isn't a hacker someone who can subvert this stuff? Is it someone just just gives up because their iPhone has CSAM installed?

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Post by Defletter »

u_sama wrote: post #385
Defletter wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For you the issue is a left right issue and if the opinion matches yours it is acceptable and seen in a positive light but if it's the other side you have no tolerance. When you remove all content and context from what is actually being said and done, then yes, this is fairly accurate, but it's also an entirely meaningless framing. But you have fallen into the trap of thinking I only support protests that I agree w…

Someday we need to kill this myth, the wave of fascisms that appeared in Europe (Italy, Germany, Spain, Romania) are more of a cultural and economic reaction to the destruction of the Great War and not due to "unlimited free speech". Free speech does not amplify or cultivate hate, it lets it fester in dark areas until it explodes when a crisis happens (which is what is happening currently). Free speech and open disco…

Protests are pressure valves, not tweets.

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Post by u_sama »

Defletter wrote: post #402
u_sama wrote: post #385

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Someday we need to kill this myth, the wave of fascisms that appeared in Europe (Italy, Germany, Spain, Romania) are more of a cultural and economic reaction to the destruction of the Great War and not due to "unlimited free speech". Free speech does not amplify or cultivate hate, it lets it fester in dark areas until it explodes when a crisis happens (which is what is happening currently). Free speech and open disco…

Protests are pressure valves, not tweets.

Please tell me how did the recent wave of Gen-Z protests start, hw did the Arab spring start?

Tweets (and other censored social media) for better or for worse have been at the center of impactful political movements and protests

Re: UK House of Lords attempting to ban use of VPNs by anyone under 16

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Post by matheusmoreira »

Gud wrote: post #378
matheusmoreira wrote: post #155

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An illegitimate underground scene running on life support, using old unlocked computers which are a finite resource they will eventually run out of. Utterly depressing... We used to be free... If this passes, the only strategic move available is to somehow develop the ability to make our own computer processors in our garages. Billion dollar fabs are single points of failure and they will be exploited, subverted, reg…

When did the UK use to be free? Seems to me this is a cultural issue that runs deep. You are his majesty’s loyal subject, like it or not, and more importantly, you are a subject of his bureaucracy. The US works in a similar fashion, except the deep state has slightly different excuses to exist. I work extensively in the UK(past 5 years, I’ve worked there maybe two years in total). Nothing gets done without endless ap…

I'm not british. "We" refers to computer users worldwide. The UK is just the beginning, this will spread to other countries. My country loves to copy whatever Europe is doing.

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Post by matheusmoreira »

qcnguy wrote: post #384
pixxel wrote: post #373

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The US was tested for tyranny during Covid, election interference, and BLM burning down cities. You sat at home, utterly impotent. You're gonna stop VPN bans? Please.

This post shouldn't have been dead. It's right. There's an American meme that sidearms create freedom. When has that actually been true in practice in the past 100 years? For HNers who just automatically flag anything right wing and want left wing examples instead, right now leftists are outraged by deportations. And a tiny number have tried to assassinate ICE agents using sniper rifles, indeed. But it's making no di…

In the end, effectiveness is irrelevant. Basic human dignity requires that you always have the option to resist.

> Where's the evidence that an armed population can resist tyranny, however you define it?

Drug gangs in latin america.

In my country, drug traffickers have become so organized they have established control over a quarter of Brazil's continental territory. They have armies, laws, tribunals, even taxes. They have essentially pulled off a stealthy unannounced secession. It's theorized that they control politicians, judges.

All thanks to the fact they were willing to arm themselves and die in order to achieve their own ends. The rest of the brazilians constantly prove unwilling to do either, and as a result they are dominated by the people with guns. Police state, military dictatorship, drug gangs, makes no difference.

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Post by iLoveOncall »

cortic wrote: post #189
iLoveOncall wrote: post #147

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> The UK is actually a scary place right now, if you are paying attention.. It has been the most authoritarian country in the West for decades already, this is nothing new. British people are the most apathetic people in the world, so it's really easy to abuse them.

>the most authoritarian country in the West Australia and the US are more authoritarian in specific areas e.g. censorship and taxation respectively.. but overall, yes, the UK is worse. >British people are the most apathetic I'm not sure that's fair, our culture looks apathetic from abroad, but like other countries we care deeply about what our media tell us to care about.

> our culture looks apathetic from abroad

I live in the UK, and have lived in multiple other western countries before.

British people absolutely ARE apathetic.

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Post by cynicalsecurity »

Worse than China. They are absolutely obsessed, fanatics.

But it's not just bigotry, unfortunately. They are trying to ban free usage of computers for the general public. They want to establish authoritarianism, at least some form of it.

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Post by Defletter »

u_sama wrote: post #403
Defletter wrote: post #402

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Protests are pressure valves, not tweets.

Please tell me how did the recent wave of Gen-Z protests start, hw did the Arab spring start? Tweets (and other censored social media) for better or for worse have been at the center of impactful political movements and protests

Again, you are stripping all context and content. You are pretending that protest organising and calling for the burning down of a building populated with asylum seekers are the same thing. I vehemently reject this facetious framing.

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Post by reliabilityguy »

fao_ wrote: post #298
xp84 wrote: post #247

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Indeed. The success of even one such prosecution means that the second someone in government wants someone out of the way, they can efficiently be imprisoned for anything rising to the level of... "offensive."

"offensive" actually has a relatively solid definition based on how judges have ruled on it in the past. This includes hate-mongering against protected characteristics, which I see a lot of from the USA right now.

Can you share this definition of “offensive” you mentioned?

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Post by ElectroBuffoon »

ghm2199 wrote: post #204

Serious question: What's the gold standard in blocking certain content for an age group, without tracking ones identity? My initial thought would it would be just making it super easy for their guardians to distribute and control device content. But let the control end at that echelon of power; Not even the local councils or schools should be given the power to regulate social media for kids to this extent IMO, let a…

RTALabel https://www.rtalabel.org/page.php is over 3 decades old. Restricted to Adults, pretty easy to remember.

For some history and related standards, see Wikipedia:

PICS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platform_for_Internet_Content_...

POWDER https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocol_for_Web_Description_R...

ASACP/RTA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_Sites_Advocatin...

The more "digi-ID so we are sure you are old enough, bitte" keeps been pushed, the clearer it's about tracking and not about children. No matter how much they love to frame it the other way around. Unless they want to admit they are total inepts.

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