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Post by smallmancontrov »

lazide wrote: post #294
smallmancontrov wrote: post #226

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Yes and there are layers. Remember when google ads had yellow backgrounds? I'm sure OpenAI will find a way to do ads "ethically"... for a while, until people get comfortable, and that's when they will start to make ChatGPT increasingly manipulative.

Gotta make that line go up and to the right!

> The goals of the advertising business model do not always correspond to providing quality search to users.

- Sergey Brin and Lawrence Page, The Anatomy of a Large-Scale Hypertextual Web Search Engine

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Post by rhetocj23 »

slig wrote: post #49
Madmallard wrote: post #2

RIP their stock price once that’s live Probably can make a ton of money shorting that

Yeah, just look at Meta and Alphabet and how the market absolutely hates that they make a shit ton of money with ads.

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Post by ryandrake »

grishka wrote: post #381
sph wrote: post #25

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Brainwashing at a scale never seen before.

Do remember that using LLMs is a choice. And unlike, say, social media, by not using any AI at all, you aren't missing out on anything.

You're not missing much of value by skipping out on social media, either.

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Post by a4isms »

staticman2 wrote: post #390
a4isms wrote: post #353

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Poe's Law notwithstanding, I find it hard to believe that anyone would think I was making a good faith business acumen observation. If Optimus walks you to the kitchen to get a coke, what's Tesla's business model? Charge by the nanosecond for compute time?

The robot suggested a coke zero because it was paid to by the Coca-Cola Company. Now you'll need to buy more coke zero to replace what you drank.

The business model for Tesla and xAI is actually very simple and superior to OpenAI and Google's. No, this is not satire:

The business model is that his companies are meme stocks, and controlling social media means controlling meme stocks. The business model is also that his companies require corporate socialism, and controlling social media means influencing government policy.

He can talk about AI driving cars, but that's yesterday's news. Today, his business model for AI is to put his finger on the scale and influence society to help him become richer. AI is threatening to replace search, but in a way it's also threatening part of what social media provides, namely the ability to guide discourse at scale.

What's easier: Getting his personal board to give him a trillion dollars, and shoring up public support for that with bias in his AI products and on X? Or building a trillion-dollar business?

Elon Musk's business model for AI is actually quite easy to understand.

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Post by Ekaros »

lenkite wrote: post #57
aurareturn wrote: post #14

- ~1 billion users in just 3 years - Extremely personal data on users - Novel way of introducing and learning more about sponsored products - Strong branding for non-techie people (most normal people don't know what Claude or Gemini are) - An app that is getting more and more addictive/indispensable I think OpenAI is going to kill it in ads eventually. This is why Meta and Google went all in on AI. Their lucrative di…

Only a short matter of time before agentic tools start serving ads too - paying user or not. You want to refactor your codebase ? No issue - taking 30 seconds - please view this ad meanwhile.

How soon will coding agents start injecting paid saas service calls in the code? And when in agentic mode, automatically sing up the coder to them?

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Post by LastTrain »

lII1lIlI11ll wrote: post #364
fn-mote wrote: post #265

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Hatred of AI won’t stop others from steamrolling them and their jobs using AI. At this point, I have stopped hoping that LLMs will become vaporware.

I wouldn't bet on LLMs steamrolling jobs of a nurse or military personnel any time soon.

There are so many more reasons to hate AI than just “it is taking my job”. But even if we’re just sticking to that, some people don’t like that it will replace their co workers, neighbors or family members job.

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Post by LastTrain »

fn-mote wrote: post #265
LastTrain wrote: post #156

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I just got back from Thanksgiving holiday with my family. Grade schools kids all the way up to great grandparents up to 81 years old. Engineers, active military, a nurse, high schoolers, two in college. Both coasts represented and Texas. Republicans, Democrats, and in-between. The one and only thing every single person had in common was an utter hatred of AI. And it wasn’t for a lack of understanding of how it will b…

Hatred of AI won’t stop others from steamrolling them and their jobs using AI. At this point, I have stopped hoping that LLMs will become vaporware.

I found myself thinking AI would make the perfect scapegoat for an enterprising political party. There is a lot of animus to tap into there.

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Post by lazide »

pxc wrote: post #388
lazide wrote: post #286

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They make it a habit to use them, by offloading that part of their thinking/process to them. It’s similar to Google Maps, or even Google itself. When was the last time you went to an actual physical library, for instance? Or pulled out a paper map? Gemini is a competitor, yes. But most people still go to Google at this point, even if there are a ton of competitors. That is what the race is about (in large part), who…

> When was the last time you went to an actual physical library My eyesight is making paper books harder and harder to read, so I don't go to libraries and bookstores as much as I used to. But I think libraries are still relatively popular with families, because they're sites of various community activities as well as safe, quiet places to let kids roam and entertain themselves while the parents are nearby. When I wa…

It used to be, people went to the library to look things up, and as a primary source for finding information they needed. Not just as a community center.

That is my point.

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Post by frankohn »

rsanek wrote: post #385
frankohn wrote: post #379

It's incredible that Google is letting OpenAI eat their lunch by capturing users while Google focuses on ad revenue. OpenAI offered ChatGPT for free to anyone—even if not their best model—without needing to be logged in. That's crucial for attracting and retaining casual users. If you compare this to what Google was at the beginning, it was just a simple interface to search the web: no questions asked, no subscriptio…

>a casual user can't use [Gemini] unless they: 1. have a Google account, and 2. are logged in. Is this a regional thing? I can use Google AI Mode without being logged in just fine. AI summaries for certain queries are also auto-generated when logged out for me.

Well, I am not sure about that but to me the real thing is: https://gemini.google.com and for this you need to be logged in, at least in my country.

As for AI mode from google search I am not sure but I don't seem to have it, at least in my country, switzerland.

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