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We're losing our voice to LLMs

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Re: We're losing our voice to LLMs

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Post by adamzwasserman »

afandian wrote: post #27
adamzwasserman wrote: post #2

It is not a zero sum game. I have always had a very idiosyncratic way of expressing myself, one that many people do not understand. Just as having a smartphone has changed my relationship to appointments - turning me into a prompt and reliable "cyborg" - LLMs have made it possible for me to communicate with a broader cross section of people. I write what I have to say, I ask LLMs for editing and suggestions for impro…

Please share what you told the LLM! I can't be the only curious one.

See above

Re: We're losing our voice to LLMs

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Post by adamzwasserman »

mike_ivanov wrote: post #202
adamzwasserman wrote: post #2

It is not a zero sum game. I have always had a very idiosyncratic way of expressing myself, one that many people do not understand. Just as having a smartphone has changed my relationship to appointments - turning me into a prompt and reliable "cyborg" - LLMs have made it possible for me to communicate with a broader cross section of people. I write what I have to say, I ask LLMs for editing and suggestions for impro…

You didn't, but you've learned.

I did, but it did not have much to add

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Post by BowBun »

AstroBen wrote: post #67

There's something unique about art and writing where we just don't want to see computers do it As soon as I know something is written by AI I tune out. I don't care how good it is - I'm not interested if a person didn't go through the process of writing it

Here's my take - art has value because of the context it is created in. The author's history, current events that we live through as groups, the reactions to a work being released, availability of materials - all these things are fundamentally human. I believe the reason art has value to us is because of the empathy and humanity that we all share despite major differences in beliefs.

That's not to say computers can't generate beautiful things, but unless you expand the context out to include the history of how a program that can create such art came to be, the output is not meaningful. This is why people do not react well to AI art made from simply throwing prompts at a model, or writing that does not feel like it has style, struggle, or any personal flavor.

I've always believed that LLMs will be able to fake it perfectly one day. But as a music fan, no fully computer-generated music will ever bring me the range of emotion and joy that another human's story and creative process through that story does.

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Post by mikepurvis »

mikepurvis wrote: post #251
TonyAlicea10 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there's a difference between using an LLM as an editor and asking the LLM to write something for you. The output in the former I find to still have a far clearer tonal fingerprint than the latter. And whose to say your idiosyncratic expressions wouldn't find an audience as it changes over time? Just you saying that makes me curious to read something you wrote.

Not the GP, but I'm a millennial who leans on cultural references and has a bit of verbal flourish that I think comes from a diet of ironic, quirky, dialogue-heavy media in the early 2000s, stuff like Firefly, Veronica Mars, and Pushing Daisies, not to mention 90s Tarantino, John Cusack films, and so on. I've never given it too much thought, it's just... the way I communicate, and most people in my life don't give mu…

... that I allowed to be part of a feedback loop ironing away those idioms and goofball expressions that my brain delivers.

(not sure how the last bit of that disappeared, but maybe that's just more ADHD brain)

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Post by binary132 »

robinhood wrote: post #153
binary132 wrote: post #106

Ironically I find it hard to tell whether this writing is LLM or merely a bit hollow and vapid.

You are downvoted but I actually agree with you. This blog post could have been a LinkedIn post from any "influencer", considering how generic it is.

If this is what passes for deep and insightful prose for dozens of HN drones, the situation is worse than I thought

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Post by overflow897 »

BowBun wrote: post #403
AstroBen wrote: post #67

There's something unique about art and writing where we just don't want to see computers do it As soon as I know something is written by AI I tune out. I don't care how good it is - I'm not interested if a person didn't go through the process of writing it

Here's my take - art has value because of the context it is created in. The author's history, current events that we live through as groups, the reactions to a work being released, availability of materials - all these things are fundamentally human. I believe the reason art has value to us is because of the empathy and humanity that we all share despite major differences in beliefs. That's not to say computers can't…

If/when the AI music gets good enough, how will you know the difference? I find small artists on spotify all the time that I enjoy and there's no way to know anything about their creative process.

Re: We're losing our voice to LLMs

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Post by [deleted] »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #290
AstroBen wrote: post #67

There's something unique about art and writing where we just don't want to see computers do it As soon as I know something is written by AI I tune out. I don't care how good it is - I'm not interested if a person didn't go through the process of writing it

I couldn't agree more. I don't care how much prompt or model finetuning you did, if something is shat out by an LLM I'm not interested even remotely. I wish more people held the same opinion actually. Unfortunately, my sense is that most people don't care, they are fine with LLM generated crap It honestly makes me want to blow my brains out

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Post by __float »

hhh wrote: post #359
gordonhart wrote: post #250

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My theory is that LLMs are accelerating [online] radicalization by commoditizing bland, HR-approved opinions. If you want to sound like a human on the internet, for better or for worse the easiest way is to say something that would make Anthropic’s safety team have a heart attack.

Bullshit. You can just use ANY abliterated model or non-safety aligned model. People have popularized ‘hard r or you’re hardware’ for a while now, but any self hosted LLM that’s de-aligned will gladly say whatever. People believe this and continue to get fooled by LLMs all day.

I've never heard of this, and I'm not seeing much on Google.

What spaces are you in that you see this??

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Post by nathan_compton »

hobofan wrote: post #226
nathan_compton wrote: post #58

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I have a special, deep, loathing for linkedin. I honestly can't believe how horrible it is and I don't understand why people engage with it.

I don't understand how people can be so dismissive of LinkedIn purely for its resume function. For essentially every "knowledge worker" profession with a halfway decent CV, a well kept LinkedIn resume can easily make a difference of $X0,000 in yearly salary, and the initial setup takes one to a few hours. It's one of the best ROI actions many could do for their careers. How dismissive many engineers are of doing that…

Sorry, gotta be Holden Caufield on this one, though I take your point.

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Post by BowBun »

overflow897 wrote: post #406
BowBun wrote: post #403

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's my take - art has value because of the context it is created in. The author's history, current events that we live through as groups, the reactions to a work being released, availability of materials - all these things are fundamentally human. I believe the reason art has value to us is because of the empathy and humanity that we all share despite major differences in beliefs. That's not to say computers can't…

If/when the AI music gets good enough, how will you know the difference? I find small artists on spotify all the time that I enjoy and there's no way to know anything about their creative process.

I think what you describe is different than the level of joy/enjoyment I seek and am talking about. Sure the AI song can be pleasing to the ear, much like a catchy pop song or jingle at a grocery store is pleasing to the ear.

The level of enjoyment I get from art is looking into the artist, their background, and anything else surrounding the work that can add meaning to it for me. Even small artists have these, and it's easier than ever to connect with artists on this level thanks to the internet.

All to say is sure at a glance it may sound/look the same, but that's only part of the joy of art.

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