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> The mobile internet gets cut locally and temporarily when the Ukraine attacks Russian cities trying to terrorize population. It’s hard to feel sympathetic when Russian bombs have been “accidentally” hitting Ukrainian civilians since day 1 of the war. Has the war been affecting civilian life in Russia much? I hear Ukraine has been targeting the Russian power grid lately.

Why did you put "accidentally" in quotes?

The Kherson human safari leaves no other option to anyone. When Russian drone pilots have nothing better to show to their fans on the social media to raise funds, they are attacking men fixing a roof of a small home, elderly women returning from the city with grocery bags, people waiting at a bus stop, and in case you want to classify all of the former as disguised soldiers, they are attacking even stray dogs.

Re: Lawmakers want to ban VPNs

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Here's one: How successful was the combined efforts of politicians + 3-letter agencies + universities, at banning computer encryption in the past? Not successful at all, hahaha.

Banning encryption proved infeasible, so they just switched to programs like PRISM instead. That was very successful.

Let me explain a bit further:governments lost the battle to ban code. Since then, no code can really get banned. And, nowadays we have vetted p2p VPNs even if all world govs try to ban vpn companies, and no prism or quantum computing programs can bypass their post-quantum e2e implementation.

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No. Stop using Hanlon's razor as a magic word that lets those in power evade responsibility for turning tech against people. They already excel at dodging consequences without anyone resorting to lazy two word arguments in their defense. It doesn't take a computer genius to understand the broader implications this has on civil society. If they genuinely lack the insight to comprehend this, then they certainly wouldn’…

I'm not saying they should get a pass for being incompetent. I'm just saying we shouldn't lose our heads theorizing malice.

It's not theoretical - governments all over the world have attempted censorship and surveillance for thousands of years. This isn't some new thing that we're all cooking up right now. We, and they, already know what this is for.

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> No I’m saying it’s completely illogical that you believe the US pressured countries to have the same security screenings on domestic flights within the country including to get on a baby twin engine plane for a 30 minute flight from SJO to XQP or that countries like Great Britain or Israel that had a history of bombings wouldn’t have increased security measures. Nobody said they successfully pressured everyone abou…

> Nobody said they successfully pressured everyone about everything. But they do it a some and it doesn't do nothing, unfortunately. There are many countries still now requiring ineffective nonsense they didn't require before 9/11. So the idea that America forced every single country in the world to basically have the same security procedures even on domestic flights - except for removing your shoes - was completely…

> So the idea that America forced every single country in the world to basically have the same security procedures even on domestic flights - except for removing your shoes - was completely false?

There was no such premise to begin with. They applied some pressure to some countries which had some effect, others followed suit by following bad precedents set by others.

> No I’m saying both that historically, no one tried to hijack a train. What exactly are they going to make the train conductor do?

I mean, people used to rob trains. That was definitely a thing.

> Yes because so many guns ands bombs have gotten through TSA since 2001…

Look, we need to keep paying the expensive lease on this bear-repelling rock because even though it demonstrably hasn't repelled the actual bears we've encountered, if we didn't have it there might have been thousands of bears, possibly trillions.

> Which commercial airports let you get on the plane without going through security?

How about this one: How many of them require it to be a government agency? Even in a lot of Europe it's private.

> the high speed train in Florida does require you to go through security domestically

Let's get rid of that too then.

> Last time I checked, hijackers can’t run a hotel into a building or make the hotel employees move a hotel to another country.

Neither can you do that with a plane if your plan is to blow it up, so why do you have to take off your shoes and have your drink stolen?

Re: Lawmakers want to ban VPNs

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> Nobody said they successfully pressured everyone about everything. But they do it a some and it doesn't do nothing, unfortunately. There are many countries still now requiring ineffective nonsense they didn't require before 9/11. So the idea that America forced every single country in the world to basically have the same security procedures even on domestic flights - except for removing your shoes - was completely…

> So the idea that America forced every single country in the world to basically have the same security procedures even on domestic flights - except for removing your shoes - was completely false? There was no such premise to begin with. They applied some pressure to some countries which had some effect, others followed suit by following bad precedents set by others. > No I’m saying both that historically, no one tri…

> There was no such premise to begin with. They applied some pressure to some countries which had some effect, others followed suit by following bad precedents set by others.

Your words.

The US has a way of setting bad precedents or pressuring other countries to adopt its inanity, yes. Another reason not to do it here.

And explain to me again why the US would “pressure” countries to increase security on domestic flights? Why would the US care if a propellor plane flying from a literal hut in Manuel Antonio Costa Rica to San Jose has security screenings or a train going from London to Paris had security screenings?

> Look, we need to keep paying the expensive lease on this bear-repelling rock because even though it demonstrably hasn't repelled the actual bears we've encountered, if we didn't have it there might have been thousands of bears, possibly trillions

Because terrorism doesn’t exist anymore and everyone loves America?

> How about this one: How many of them require it to be a government agency? Even in a lot of Europe it's private.

So now you went from “other countries have airports where security isn’t the same” to “it’s private”. What difference does it make?

FWIW: Airports can choose to have private security instead of TSA. The only one that does of any note is SFO.

Even if it is private in the EU, they still follow EU wide security regulations. How does it being private make any difference in your experience?

And even o > Let's get rid of that too then.

So every single commercial airport in the world has screenings, as well as some domestic foreign train systems (Ibe only been on one internationally) as well as private high speed rail in the US where it isn’t required by law.

Just maybe they know something you don’t know?

Re: Lawmakers want to ban VPNs

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Why did you put "accidentally" in quotes?

The Kherson human safari leaves no other option to anyone. When Russian drone pilots have nothing better to show to their fans on the social media to raise funds, they are attacking men fixing a roof of a small home, elderly women returning from the city with grocery bags, people waiting at a bus stop, and in case you want to classify all of the former as disguised soldiers, they are attacking even stray dogs.

>Russian drone pilots have nothing better to show to their fans on the social media to raise funds

You sure must have links to this social media, right?

Re: Lawmakers want to ban VPNs

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> Using this tech, all the CP traffic would detectably flow towards my ip, right? No, but I'm curious why you'd think that?

The risk surely exists if you decide to run their gate service: "After you activate the VPN Gate Service, anyone can connect a VPN connection to your computer, and access to any hosts on the Internet via your computer" "When you are running the VPN Gate Relaying Function on your company's network, then any person's communication to Internet hosts will be relayed via your company's network." > https://www.vpngate.net/…

The regular SoftEther client server software doesn't have that feature. The VPN Gate features are the features of VPN Gate variant that you're trying to intentionally mixing up with. The regular server still comes with free dynamic DNS that does nothing other than letting you and your approved users access your own server from the Internet and nobody else.

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> Are you saying metal detectors don’t work? Every time they've tested it, the testers were able to get 70-80% of their weapons past the TSA; which, yes, includes guns. I don't know precisely how they achieved that, but they certainly did.

Citation? The best I could find that you could sneak explosives through if you were sophisticated enough but nothing about sneaking guns through.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/tsa-fails-tests-latest-undercover-...

DHS routinely tests TSA and they always fail spectacularly. This was just the first one on Google. You can easily find many more, this is widely reported on.

Re: Lawmakers want to ban VPNs

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"People who want to bypass it will use non-commercial VPNs, open proxies, or cheap virtual private servers that the law doesn't cover. They'll find workarounds within hours. The internet always routes around censorship."

This is naive. The goal is not to make VPNs technically impossible, it is to move the use of VPNs into the realm of illegality. If successfull, it is just a case of selective enforcement, another vector of going after anyone you don't like.

Re: Lawmakers want to ban VPNs

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Citation? The best I could find that you could sneak explosives through if you were sophisticated enough but nothing about sneaking guns through.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/tsa-fails-tests-latest-undercover-... DHS routinely tests TSA and they always fail spectacularly. This was just the first one on Google. You can easily find many more, this is widely reported on.

You realized there has been a complete overhaul in equipment since 2017?

In your citation: In the public hearing today on Capitol Hill, members pushed for the full implementation of a program using new scanning equipment that creates a 3-D image of bags, giving screeners better ability to spot possibly dangerous items

Those new scanners are in 255 of the nations 432 airports

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2025/07/19/new-airport-scanner...

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