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Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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Re: Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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Post by kypro »

numpy-thagoras wrote: post #15

Good. The world model is absolutely the right play in my opinion. AI Agents like LLMs make great use of pre-computed information. Providing a comprehensive but efficient world model (one where more detail is available wherever one is paying more attention given a specific task) will definitely eke out new autonomous agents. Swarms of these, acting in concert or with some hive mind, could be how we get to AGI. I wish…

> Swarms of these, acting in concert or with some hive mind, could be how we get to AGI.

There's absolutely no reason to think this. In fact, all of the evidence we have to this point suggests that scaling intelligence horizontally doesn't increase capabilities – you have to scale vertically.

Additionally, as it stands I'd argue there's foundational architectural advancements needed before artificial neutral networks can learn and reason at the same level (or better) than humans across a wide variety of tasks. I suspect when we solve this for LLMs the same techniques could be applied to world models. Fundamentally, the question to ask here is whether AGI is io dependant, and I see no reason to believe this to be the case – if someone removes your eyes and cuts off your hands they don't make you any less generally intelligent.

Re: Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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Post by andersa »

sidewndr46 wrote: post #399
ximeng wrote: post #386

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If Claude Code is Anthropic’s main focus why are they not responding to some of the most commented issues on their GitHub? https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/3648 has people begging for feedback and saying they’re moving to OpenAI, has been open since July and there are similar issues with 100+ comments.

It's entirely possible they don't have the ability in house to resolve it. Based on the report this is a user interface issue. It could just be some strange setting they enabled somewhere. But it's also possible it's the result of some dependency 3 or 4 levels removed from their product. Even worse, it could be the result of interactions between multiple dependencies that are only apparent at runtime.

Seems these users are getting it on VS code, while I am getting the exact same thing when using claude code on a Linux server over SSH from Windows Terminal. At this point their app has to be the only thing in common?

Re: Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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Post by rockinghigh »

HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #250
throwaw12 wrote: post #72

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I would pose a question differently, under his leadership did Meta achieve good outcome? If the answer is yes, then better to keep him, because he has already proved himself and you can win in the long-term. With Meta's pockets, you can always create a new department specifically for short-term projects. If the answer is no, then nothing to discuss here.

LeCun was always part of FAIR, doing research, not part of the LLM/product group, who reported to someone else.

Wasn't the original LLaMA developed by FAIR Paris?

Re: Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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Post by sidewndr46 »

andersa wrote: post #402
sidewndr46 wrote: post #399

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It's entirely possible they don't have the ability in house to resolve it. Based on the report this is a user interface issue. It could just be some strange setting they enabled somewhere. But it's also possible it's the result of some dependency 3 or 4 levels removed from their product. Even worse, it could be the result of interactions between multiple dependencies that are only apparent at runtime.

Seems these users are getting it on VS code, while I am getting the exact same thing when using claude code on a Linux server over SSH from Windows Terminal. At this point their app has to be the only thing in common?

That's certainly an interesting observation. I wonder if they produce one client that has some kind of abstraction layer for the user interface & that abstraction layer has hidden or obscured this detail?

Re: Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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Post by hitarpetar »

ACCount37 wrote: post #244
ripe wrote: post #218

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> Frontier models are all profitable. This is an extraordinary claim and needs extraordinary proof. LLMs are raising lots of investor money, but that's a completely different thing from being profitable.

You don't even need insider info - it lines up with external estimates. We have estimates that range from 30% to 70% gross margin on API LLM inference prices at major labs, 50% middle road. 10% to 80% gross margin on user-facing subscription services, error bars inflated massively. We also have many reports that inference compute has come to outmatch training run compute for frontier models by a factor of x10 or more…

what about training?

Re: Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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Post by hitarpetar »

ACCount37 wrote: post #212
camillomiller wrote: post #198

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In this comment you proceeded to basically reinvent the meaning of "profitable company", but sure. I won't even get into the point of comparing LLM to humans, because I choose not to engage with whoever doesn't have the human decency, humanistic compass, or basic phylosophical understanding of how putting LLMs and human labor on the same level to justify hallucinations and non-determinism is deranged and morally bank…

You should go and work in a call center for a year, on the first line. Then come back and tell me how replacing human labor with AI is "deranged and morally bankrupt".

red herring. just because some jobs are bad (maybe shouldn't exist like that in the first place) doesn't make this movement humanistic

Re: Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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Post by SilverElfin »

sebmellen wrote: post #2

Making LeCun report to Wang was the most boneheaded move imaginable. But… I suppose Zuckerberg knows what he wants, which is AI slopware and not truly groundbreaking foundation models.

No, it was because LeCun had no talent for running real life teams and was stuck in a weird place where he hated LLMs. He frankly was wasting Meta’s resources. And making him report to Wang was a way to force him out.

Re: Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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Post by hitarpetar »

aryonoco wrote: post #335
Hendrikto wrote: post #197

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It’s easy to make 1 billion by spending 10 billion. That’s not “making money” though, it is lighting it on fire.

People used to say this about Amazon all the time. Remember how Amazon basically didn’t turn any real profits for 2 decades? The joke was that Amazon was a charitable organisation being funded by Wall Street for the benefit of human kind. That didn’t last. People in the know knew that once you have a billion users and insane revenue and market power and have basically bought or driven out of business most of your com…

this gets brought up a lot, and the reality is that the scale of Amazon's losses is completely dwarfed by what's going on now

Re: Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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Post by modeless »

coldpie wrote: post #271
qwertox wrote: post #236

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But his responsability.

Pretty funny post. He won't be held responsible for any failures. Worst case scenario for this guy is he hires a bunch of people, the company folds some time later, his employees take the responsibility by getting fired, and he sails into the sunset on several yachts.

He is 65, and certainly rich enough to retire many times over. He's not doing this to scam money out of VCs. He wants to prove his ideas work.

Re: Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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Post by mi_lk »

xuancanh wrote: post #65
sebmellen wrote: post #2

Making LeCun report to Wang was the most boneheaded move imaginable. But… I suppose Zuckerberg knows what he wants, which is AI slopware and not truly groundbreaking foundation models.

In industry research, someone in a chief position like LeCun should know how to balance long-term research with short-term projects. However, for whatever reason, he consistently shows hostility toward LLMs and engineering projects, even though Llama and PyTorch are two of the most influential projects from Meta AI. His attitude doesn’t really match what is expected from a Chief position at a product company like Fac…

This is the right take. He is obviously a pioneer and much more knowledgeable than Wang in the field, but if you don't have the product mind to serve company's business interest in short term and long term capacity anymore, you may as well stay in academia and be your own research director, let alone a chief executive in one of the largest public companies
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