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I took all my projects off the cloud, saving thousands of dollars

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Re: I took all my projects off the cloud, saving thousands of dollars

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Post by matt-p »

hansvm wrote: post #398
matt-p wrote: post #397

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean on that site you also have clouvider who are cheaper $423.79/mo for 72TB including bandwidth, compute and two extra boot SSDs. I just searched by a minimum disk size of 12TB. Colo will be cheaper I'm sure but it's fundamentally a different comparison you have to pay for drive failures, networking, bandwidth, remote hands, network switches and so on and so forth.

Interesting, not sure how I missed that (edit: I missed the 4x on the drive count). Thanks for mentioning it. And, yes it's a different comparison, but that's why I was asking; I was curious if it was even viable (and initial searches had indicated it wasn't). 4-5x cheaper than S3 as a substrate is potentially workable.

Yeah, I mean thats what like ~$4.9/TB/Month including 4TB+ of internet transfer at a substrate level. So with say 10 servers on 8+2 parity you're looking at ~$6/TB/Month including >5TB of internet. Probably makes sense until you can fill at least one whole rack and buy a 2X100Gb internet connection.

Re: I took all my projects off the cloud, saving thousands of dollars

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Post by throwaway2037 »

bsenftner wrote: post #318
jwr wrote: post #281

This is all correct. I've been running my own servers for many years now, keeping things simple and saving a lot of money and time (setting anything up in AWS or Azure is horribly complicated and the UIs are terrible). One thing to remember is that you do need to treat your servers as "cloud servers" in the sense that you should be able to re-generate your entire setup from your configuration at any time, given a bun…

I was a guy that built server clusters during the early 00's, for my own and others' web and other projects. When AWS really took off, it was like a spend all your money mania, and devs and companies treated my skills like dirt. I got a job writing facial recognition edge servers, with high performance many claim are impossible numbers (25M face compares per second per core) and my employer found itself a leader in t…

Without targeting you directly, you wrote: "800M face compares per second". I creeped out when I read that. What is the real world application for something like that? My guess: Real-time, large scale surveillance.

Re: I took all my projects off the cloud, saving thousands of dollars

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Post by mcmcmc »

presentation wrote: post #172
mcmcmc wrote: post #47

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Whoa, an acquisition made things worse for everyone but the people who cashed out? Crazy, who could have seen that coming

Guess you came for the hot take without actually using the service or participating in any intelligent conversation. All the sibling comments observe that nothing you are talking about happened. Snarky ignorant comments like yours ruin Hacker News and the internet as a whole. Please reconsider your mindset for the good of us all.

Market consolidation generally being bad for consumers and workers is not a hot take at all. Maybe you should reconsider your holier-than-thou attitude.

https://lowendbox.com/blog/two-weeks-after-killing-the-linod...

https://mjtsai.com/blog/2023/03/03/linode-price-increases/

https://www.linode.com/community/questions/23898/new-price-i...

Re: I took all my projects off the cloud, saving thousands of dollars

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Post by fathermarz »

arecsu wrote: post #203
fathermarz wrote: post #195

I’m fundamentally confused. A server in a datacenter is still the cloud. Taking something off the cloud means you have hardware somewhere that you physically manage and pay the power bill. This is simply collapsing the built for scale tools into a cacophony of open source tools. You didn’t need it to begin with, you just didn’t know any better.

Your response clearly shows that you didn't read the article. There's literally a section where it goes through your point.

No I actually will double down. Exactly what I said and just because he states it and calls it out, does not mean it isn’t true.

My point was actually to say, AWS bills are expensive, IF you are using their built for purpose and scale technologies. If you don’t need scale, rent an EC2. The graphs I’m seeing from the billing dashboard clearly show a number of different services. So it’s comparing apples to oranges.

I am still confused by the logic of this entire post because purpose built, scalable, pay per use services, do not equal a simple server.

I’m also not saying he is doing it wrong, I am saying collapsing all those services into a single box could have been done at any point regardless of it being Cloud or not. I don’t actually care about defining cloud. I’m fundamentally challenging the paradigm that the author himself is challenging.

Re: I took all my projects off the cloud, saving thousands of dollars

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Post by fathermarz »

alrs wrote: post #197
fathermarz wrote: post #195

I’m fundamentally confused. A server in a datacenter is still the cloud. Taking something off the cloud means you have hardware somewhere that you physically manage and pay the power bill. This is simply collapsing the built for scale tools into a cacophony of open source tools. You didn’t need it to begin with, you just didn’t know any better.

I'm going to go way out on a limb and offer: whatever it is that you are, it isn't "confused."

Confused is the perfect word to encapsulate how I feel about this post. Collapsing purpose built scalable services into a single server is not “going off cloud”. It’s is more like “simplifying my tech stack”

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Post by alsetmusic »

amtamt wrote: post #316
piokoch wrote: post #292

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This is all true. But... But if you manage your own server, as the author advice, you need to figure out a lot of stuff and remember about a lot of stuff. Are ulimits set correctly? Shall I turn on syn cookies or turn them off because of performance? What are the things I should know but I don't and Chat GPT has not told me them, as this is more than some intro tutorial on how to run VPS on DO, so it was never indexe…

Isn't this long list applied to cloud hosted VMs as well?

They're saying that when they pay a cloud provider, the cloud provider is on the hook for the details.
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