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Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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You mean in the same fallacious sense of "you can tell cigarettes are good because so many people buy them"?

That sort of rhetoric works very well unfortunately.

In marketing, that's called "the bandwagon effect" and is one of the more powerful techniques for influencing people's thoughts and behaviors. Sadly, we are social animals and "social proof" is far more powerful than it should be.

Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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Ask a black teenager about being fine.

Well, you could ask this kid, he is black and wasn't harmed. It's not the cops' fault someone told them he had a gun.

You and I define "harm" differently.

Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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That sort of rhetoric works very well unfortunately.

In marketing, that's called "the bandwagon effect" and is one of the more powerful techniques for influencing people's thoughts and behaviors. Sadly, we are social animals and "social proof" is far more powerful than it should be.

Well now bots and AI get to amplify tge effect

Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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I was swatted once. Girlfriend's house. Someone called 911 and said they'd seen me kill a neighbor, drag their body into the house, and was now holding my gf's family hostage. We answered the screams at the door to guns pointed at our faces, and countless cops. It was explained to us that this was the restrained version. We got a knock. Unfortunately, I understand why these responses can't be neutered too much. You j…

It doesn't make sense. If you were holding people hostage, you'd have demands for their release. Windows could be peeked into. If you dragged a dead body into a house, there'd be evidence of that.

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Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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We all know the cops will go for the easy prey: * Even hundreds of cops in full body armor and armed with automatic guns will not dare to engage a single "lone wolf" shooter doing a killing spree in a school; the heartless cowards may even prevent the parents from going inside to rescue their kids: Uvalde school shooting incident * Cop on a ego trip, will shoot down a clearly harmless kid calmly eating a burger in hi…

All of your examples are well known not because its normal and accepted but because they are exceptions. For every one bad example there are thousand good ones, that's humans for you. Doesn't mean they are perfect or shouldn't criticised but claiming that's all they are doing isn't reasonable either. If you look at actual per capita statistics you will easily see this.

The statistics are indeed quite telling.. and chilling!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_killings_by_law_enfor...

In the United States, law enforcement officers shoot and kill more than 1,100 civilians each year, with a significant number of these incidents involving unarmed individuals, particularly among Black Americans who are disproportionately affected. The FBI has begun collecting data on these use-of-force incidents to provide better insights into the circumstances surrounding police shootings.

Police killed more than 1,300 people in the U.S. last year, an estimated 0.3% increase in police killings per million people. The increase makes 2024 the deadliest year for police violence by a slim margin since Mapping Police Violence began tracking civilian deaths more than a decade ago.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/02/26/police...

There is no national database that documents police killings in the U.S., and the report comes days after the Justice Department removed a database tracking misconduct by federal law enforcement. Researchers spent thousands of hours analyzing more than 100,000 media reports to compile the Mapping Police Violence database.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_...

In 2025, the U.S. has experienced significant gun violence, with 11,197 shooting deaths reported through September 30, along with 20,425 nonfatal injuries. The year has seen a total of 341 mass shootings, resulting in 331 fatalities and 1,499 injuries.

Shootings have happened in all 50 states, at all times of day, and in locations as varied as schools, gas stations, gyms, Walmarts, and homes. Some involved handguns, others rifles or shotguns.

10.3 million guns have been sold across the U.S. in 2025 through September 30.

https://www.thetrace.org/2025/10/shooting-gun-violence-data-...

Mass shootings in the United States are incidents where one or more individuals use firearms to kill or injure multiple people, typically in public settings. The frequency and definitions of these events can vary, but they have been a significant concern in recent years, with the U.S. experiencing more mass shootings than any other country.

GVA has recorded 325 mass shootings in the U.S. this year through three quarters. Those have resulted in 309 deaths and 1,490 injuries.

Mass shootings in the last quarter included the high-profile shooting at a New York skyscraper, as well as the shooting of 29 people, 26 of them children, at a church in Minneapolis. Two children, aged 8 and 10, were killed in that incident.

Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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We got our cyberpunk future, except none of it's cool and everything's extremely stupid.

I recommend rewatching the trilogy of Brazil, 12 Monkeys and Zero Theorem. It's sadly the exact future that we are already starting to live in.

I have seen and enjoyed the first two movies but had somehow never even heard of the third one. It’s now high up my to-watch list, thanks for bringing it to my attention.

Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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“The system flagged a gun, please check it out” is not a false report.

It might be, depending on the integrity of "the system". I can make a system that flags stuff, too. That doesn't mean it's any good. If they can show there was no reasonable cause then they've got a leg to stand on.

It’s the literal truth. How can that be a false report? A false report means you reported something you know to be untrue, not that you relayed bad information.

Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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Those are a lot of "presumablies". Maybe you're right. Or maybe it was mostly obscured so you really couldn't tell. How do you know it was open and he was eating? How do you know there were other kids around and he wasn't solo? Why do you think the body language would be so different? Nobody is claiming he was using a gun or threatening anyone with it. If you're just carrying something in your hand, I don't know how…

It wasn't open and he wasn't eating. The AI flagged a bulge in his pants pocket, which was the empty, crumpled up bag that he put in his pocket after finishing eating all the chips. This is quite frankly absurd. The fact that the AI flagged it is bonkers, and the fact that a human doing manual review still believed it was a gun... I mean, just, wow. The level of dangerous incompetence here is staggering. And I wouldn…

> The AI flagged a bulge in his pants pocket

It's not totally clear -- we haven't seen the picture. The point is, it seemed to look like a gun. Shadows and reflections do funny things. For you to say with such confidence that this is absurd and bonkers, is itself absurd without us seeing the image(s) in question.

> It is frankly mind-boggling that you or anyone else can defend this crap.

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