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Re: Wikipedia says traffic is falling due to AI search summaries and social video

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In 1000 years Sweden went from a Viking culture to an egalitarian, tolerant, multicultural society. Just imagine how much change you can have in the next 1000 years. 50 years ago you guys had basically an apartheid and women’s place was the kitchen.

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I invite you to read a little bit of history.

These sort of hyper exaggerated comments help no one. Not to mention "other parts of Europe" were literally Islamic for hundreds of years.

Re: Wikipedia says traffic is falling due to AI search summaries and social video

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>It indicates that it's a follow-on to postmodernism. How? it's just postmodernism itself. There is no truth because everything is relative. There is no singular, objective truth, facts are intrinsically bound to their context, hence post-truth.

> How? it's just postmodernism itself. / There is no truth because everything is relative. There is no singular, objective truth, facts are intrinsically bound to their context, hence post-truth. That's not postmodernism but a caricature of it by its critics. Postmodernism cares deeply about truth. It is highly skeptical of power, bias, perception, etc. and provides tools to mitigate these risks to truth. Post-truth…

Caricature? Foucault talked about "regimes of truth" determining that context and society are what determine truth. Baudrillard straight up said "The simulacrum is true" putting it over objective fact. Derrida's whole deal was about how language constructs, rather than describes, reality.

If all of this sounds ridiculous that's another matter, if I actually wanted to cast shade upon them then gee, I'd just quote their stances on sex with minors.

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Have you actually tried editing wikipedia? It's extremely difficult to get anything approved. You have to provide multiple credible sources for things or else the mods just revert/delete your page.

It's too politicized and biased for my taste to give it any of my time.

Biased in what way? The traditional "reality has a distinct liberal bias" way or some other way I'm unaware of?

Re: Wikipedia says traffic is falling due to AI search summaries and social video

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> In this test, the framework responds with the simplest of responses: a "Hello, World" message rendered as plain text. What a ridiculous comparison. You either don't know what you are talking about, or are a troll. Maybe even both.

there are more complex tests in that benchmark. my point was, a decent server can serve tens or hundreds of thousands requests per second when it's a few kilobytes of static content from a RAM database.

as long as your web service isn't horribly mismanaged, even to a $5 VPS the bot traffic is infinitesimal background radiation.

Re: Wikipedia says traffic is falling due to AI search summaries and social video

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It most certainly will not. LLMs lack the human nuance that a good Wikipedia article requires. Weighing quality sources and digesting them in the most useful way that a human would want and expect — that is very difficult for both humans and machines, and it is why Wikipedia as a whole is such a treasure: Because a community of editors take the time to tweak the articles and aim for perfection. There are guidelines a…

In my opinion simply using a dataset of high quality books and highly rated academic journals is enough to surpass current Wikipedia quality. In my experience when using LLMs as a replacement for Wikipedia (learning about history), it is often of higher quality in niche topics and far less biased in political contentious areas

For me Wikipedia is only good for introductions and exploration. You don't have time to read a dense tome but also don't have enough experience in reading research papers in that area? Wikipedia it is then.

Wikipedia is the tabloid equivalent for scientific topics.

LLMs tend to be much more useful for niche topics, because they've most likely been trained directly on the source itself.

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The hard truth is that LLMs will fully replace wikipedia. Let's put aside wikipedia being rotten with bureaucracy and obsession-driven bias, which is similar to stackoverflow preexisting flows before LLMs streamrolled. Fact is, wikipedia is a human driven summarization engine of secondary sources, hopefully in a way that echos the sources consensus. This is exactly what LLMs are best for, summarizing huge amount of t…

> and training can easily focus on high quality books and thus exceed wikipedia in quality. Then it will never exceed Wikipedia. There are no high quality books to many of Wikipedia‘s articles and even if who qualifies those books as as high quality. And less traffic is not only a problem of Wikipedia but also other websites. So AI is killing the source it feeds on. This is the golden age of AI. The next age will be…

As others have said, Wikipedia is a tertiary source. A primary source is the original materials, e.g. research papers for example. Secondary sources analyze or summarize, but also connect the primary sources into a bigger work. This is how comprehensive textbooks that cover a wide breadth of topics are written. Wikipedia is for those who are too lazy for even the secondary sources. I.e. blog post sized articles about a particular topic. That's what a tertiary source is and nobody really needs tertiary sources other than for convenience and time savings.

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I haven't fully watched that film. It is definitely influenced by the book Cosmos by Carl Sagan. I feel I read it a hundred times.

Ok, the errors in Cosmos are covered here: https://sciencemeetsfiction.com/2014/06/15/cosmos-follow-up-... Quote: Cosmos does not make Hypatia’s death so much a religious issue as an anti-intellectual on, but the truth is that it was actually a political one. A second problem comes when Dr. Sagan links her death to the destruction of the Great Library. In fact, in the final episode of the original Cosmos, “Who Speaks…

Thank you for your detailed reply.

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Even if this current plotting comes to nothing, there are plenty of ways for investments to fail over 1000 years. Even if we assume that the system continues intact so that the accumulated wealth retains its meaning and is protected, and it isn't directly targeted by the government at any time. Investments can fail, such as bank deposits (bank collapses), shares (company goes bankrupt), government bonds (government d…

Do we have any institutions to point to, other than the Roman Catholic Church, that have survived this long?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oldest_companies
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