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Re: Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock

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Orwell didn't foresee that people would voluntarily pay for their own surveillance, out of fandom for a company that charges $15/month for "free" shipping. That they also actually do give away for free if you can wait a few extra days rather than treating every purchase as an impulse buy.

Reality has become more stupid than even visionaries could have predicted.

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One of the many reasons to host your own stuff. It costs about 0.75CAD per day to run my server and PoE switch. For my 20 bucks a month I get cameras, a media server, password manager, push notifications, file sharing, and a dozen other services, all without handing my data over to business or governments. Is it as secure as a cloud service? Depends on what you consider secure. I closely monitor access logs and use s…

I fear ISPs have made a commercial host-it-yourself product near impossible. Imagine selling a product, getting no ongoing revenue, and then being on the hook - forever - to support average people trying to connect to something inside their home network from their phone. Nightmare material. If anyone is having trouble understanding the support load, start by traveling to your local assisted living home and explaining…

Tailscale

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One of the many reasons to host your own stuff. It costs about 0.75CAD per day to run my server and PoE switch. For my 20 bucks a month I get cameras, a media server, password manager, push notifications, file sharing, and a dozen other services, all without handing my data over to business or governments. Is it as secure as a cloud service? Depends on what you consider secure. I closely monitor access logs and use s…

I fear ISPs have made a commercial host-it-yourself product near impossible. Imagine selling a product, getting no ongoing revenue, and then being on the hook - forever - to support average people trying to connect to something inside their home network from their phone. Nightmare material. If anyone is having trouble understanding the support load, start by traveling to your local assisted living home and explaining…

I think something like Tailscale's technology could resolve this and many other self hosting access cases. Already, I don't open any ports - just use Tailscale to connect to my PC at home. If this was integrated into the "camera app", it could be seamless - only authentication required. Since the traffic goes directly point to point, the cost of hosting this service isn't too large either.

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I commented on a similar post earlier, but my entire neighborhood, hundreds of houses, came with them preinstalled. Can’t even leave my house without being surveilled. Some people have the setting on where it starts announcing stuff any time it sees a person, which it does all the way to the sidewalk. So you go on a walk and get yelled at through a super shitty speaker several times. And it’s about as dystopian as yo…

Honestly, these cameras don’t solve anything or provide any real utility and essentially represent a waste of money and resources.

There are quite a few videos online where it has helped prove self defense and fraudulent statements by cops.

Who knows how long that utility lasts with cheap video editing on the horizon.

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I commented on a similar post earlier, but my entire neighborhood, hundreds of houses, came with them preinstalled. Can’t even leave my house without being surveilled. Some people have the setting on where it starts announcing stuff any time it sees a person, which it does all the way to the sidewalk. So you go on a walk and get yelled at through a super shitty speaker several times. And it’s about as dystopian as yo…

> So you go on a walk and get yelled at through a super shitty speaker several times.

I would love to see legislation banning this kind of automated harassment.

Never done it, but on late night walks home I've imagined banging on the doors of the houses with these just to inform them I got the message.

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The police chumminess is super dystopian. I definitely went with E2E encrypted cameras because I also think it's so crazy people just hand all that data over without realizing how powerful it is and how much personal privacy they are throwing out the window.

E2E encryption but what are the ends? If one is your camera and the other is a cloud service then you aren't really protecting anything.

You could additionally use encryption at rest where the key is only ever on the client.

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By this point, we should assume that all companies with sensitive data that could theoretically help solve crime will be accessed by the government as a rule. That's just being a realistic technology user in 2025.

The only real solution is strong privacy laws around gov usage and strong courts willing to enforce it. Expecting consumer choice or regulations to prevent that data from ever existing is mostly a fools errand IMO, there's just too much of it and it's everywhere.

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I have the same UI protect system w 7 cameras. After that incident, I made it local only. I like Unifi gear, but I became super paranoid after that incident. After some digging around, I found homebridge [0] (with the homebridge-unifi-protect plugin by hjdhjd [1]) which fixed that for me by tying the UI Protect system into Apple's HomeKit ecosystem (which also leverages the homekit secure video that keeps alerts/moti…

That's a really interesting setup, thanks for the links! I'm pretty deep into Home Assistant but that plugin looks amazing.

I had the same setup for a while, but eventually moved to scrypted instead which had better startup time for streams in Home.app.

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One of the many reasons to host your own stuff. It costs about 0.75CAD per day to run my server and PoE switch. For my 20 bucks a month I get cameras, a media server, password manager, push notifications, file sharing, and a dozen other services, all without handing my data over to business or governments. Is it as secure as a cloud service? Depends on what you consider secure. I closely monitor access logs and use s…

I fear ISPs have made a commercial host-it-yourself product near impossible. Imagine selling a product, getting no ongoing revenue, and then being on the hook - forever - to support average people trying to connect to something inside their home network from their phone. Nightmare material. If anyone is having trouble understanding the support load, start by traveling to your local assisted living home and explaining…

I understand why it's not feasible. I admin a server at home and one for a small business, and most people do not really understand "why doesn't it just work like a normal app." For the foreseeable future self hosting is an ideological choice rather than one of practicality :/
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