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Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by Philpax »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #396
0xfaded wrote: post #52

To any Linux users, I recently bought a fully loaded M4 MacBook pro to replace my aging Lenovo and strongly regret it. I thought I would use it for playing with LLMs, but local dev on a Mac is not fun and I still don't have it fully set up. I'll probably replace it with a framework at some point in the near future. Edit: okay, that garnered more attention than I expected, I guess I owe a qualification. 1. Everything…

> Everything is just slightly different. I had to split all my dot files into common/Linux/Mac specific sections. Don't expect to be able to clone and build any random C++ project unless someone in the project is specifically targeting Mac. This seems like a very unfair complaint. macOS is not Linux. Its shell environment is based on Darwin which is distantly related to BSD. It has no connection to Linux, except for…

That can be true while still being a genuine irritant. Windows and POSIX shells are different enough that you'd never assume that a script would be compatible between them - but the same is not true between your average Linux distro and macOS, which leads people to repeatedly get bit when trying to write a script that supports both.

Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by asdff »

NoPicklez wrote: post #393

I'm looking to upgrade from the 2013 Macbook Pro to the Macbook Air, I noticed that the pixels per inch are lower in the latest Macbook Air, but I assume that the display is overall better? Also, I read that the keyboard is slightly different between the Air and the Pro, I'm not a big fan of that chicklet design they released

If you use the macbook outside don't bother with the air. the current mbp has a brighter screen and imo it is only barely bright enough to be usable outside on max brightness. Not as bad as the 2012 era screens but nowhere close to your cellphone.

Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by leakycap »

bigyabai wrote: post #390
jonplackett wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How did we already get to no-one being impressed by 20% better PER YEAR already. Macs barely got faster for ages with Intel - they just got hotter and shorter on battery life. 20% per year is a doubling every 4y. That is awesome.

> Macs barely got faster for ages with Intel Intel chips were getting faster. It's well documented (and glaringly obvious in the i9 16") that Apple just didn't want to accommodate the full TDP. They tweaked their ACPI tables to run the chips until they hit the junction temp so they were both constantly hot and constantly throttling. Apple tweaked all of their Intel chips in this way, which was a software solution to…

> Intel chips were getting faster

Do you consider margin-of-error, single-digit gains to be worth arguing over? Intel offered 14nm for 4 years straight: Skylake, Kaby Lake, Coffee Lake, Coffee Lake Refresh—four different names, same process node, and 3-7% gains each year. Such fast.

> The old MBP chassis designs are so awful that Apple doesn't consider them viable for cooling ARM CPUs

You don't put a 15-20W chip into a thermal system built for 90W+. The old chassis wasn't "too awful" for Apple Silicon, it was completely unnecessary.

Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by yoavm »

skinnymuch wrote: post #284
0xfaded wrote: post #52

To any Linux users, I recently bought a fully loaded M4 MacBook pro to replace my aging Lenovo and strongly regret it. I thought I would use it for playing with LLMs, but local dev on a Mac is not fun and I still don't have it fully set up. I'll probably replace it with a framework at some point in the near future. Edit: okay, that garnered more attention than I expected, I guess I owe a qualification. 1. Everything…

My issue is how much I care about looks. If it’s not pretty, I have a harder time using stuff outside the CLI/TUI. Linux is too ugly for me to use as my main device. Same with what I’ve seen of Android.

In my opinion, Apple is the one doing very poorly on (software) looks recently. Liquid Glass looks like a joke. Both KDE and GNOME look better. The new Expressive Material 3, on Android, actually looks great.

Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by abtinf »

leakycap wrote: post #283
amaranth wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A 2080 is about the same performance as a 5060 and every game is going to be able to run on a 5060. You might not be running it at 4K Ultra with ray tracing enabled but you should be able to run at like 1080p High or better. Whether or not the M5 GPU is actually capable of that level of performance or whether the drivers will let it reach its potential is of course a completely different story. GPU performance is har…

> A 2080 is about the same performance as a 5060 A 5060 outperforms a 2080 by roughly 20% on most titles, across the board, not cherry-picking for the best results. They are not about the same. > you should be able to run at like 1080p High or better This is disconnected from reality. 1080p low/medium, some games are playable but not enjoyable. Remember, I actually have a 2080, so I'm not just guessing. > GPU perform…

> 5060 outperforms a 2080 by roughly 20%

Is this a typo? I’m surprised the difference is so small after 3 generations.

Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by asdff »

mjamesaustin wrote: post #132
defraudbah wrote: post #76

it says "up to 14 hours more than intel based mpro", which means intel was designed to last 10 hours which matches what was advertised https://web.archive.org/web/20201109092341/https://www.apple... we went from 10 hours to 24 hours in 5 years - impressive i wonder why they advertise gaming on the laptop, anyone plays anything Meaningful on macbooks?

I play absolutely everything on my M1 Macbook Pro. Through Crossover, basically every Windows game runs fine. I used to check ahead of time before buying a game, but it's so good I now kind of just assume games work.

I can confirm this is not the case. I don't use crossover but crossover is wine. I use kegworks which is also wine. It is a pain in the ass. Steam app runs like garbage over wine. Games like tf2 I got more consistent fps on my 2012 mac which can run it natively than I do on this 12/16 whatever core 4ghz beast. I used to get like 90fps pegged in that now even on low graphics configs I'm barely doing 50fps and losing frames like crazy when there's a lot of action.

Most games just flat out do not work that I've tried. Plenty will stop you with anticheat.

About the only sorts of games that actually work well over WINE on this rig (m3 pro) are ones that came out 15 years ago.

Native games like no mans sky actually got worse over time. When I first got this mac I was so impressed by the performance of nms even though its an old game at this point. I could run it entirely on ultra. Then nms put out an update and that ended, back to medium-low and no AA unless I want to experience pervasive graphical glitches like flashing purple.

Other games have some internal lock to their fps I'm not sure why even as native mac games. This is true for cities skylines. It is capped at 40fps, maybe through rosetta layer limitations? I'm not sure.

Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by skydhash »

lholden wrote: post #369
0xfaded wrote: post #52

To any Linux users, I recently bought a fully loaded M4 MacBook pro to replace my aging Lenovo and strongly regret it. I thought I would use it for playing with LLMs, but local dev on a Mac is not fun and I still don't have it fully set up. I'll probably replace it with a framework at some point in the near future. Edit: okay, that garnered more attention than I expected, I guess I owe a qualification. 1. Everything…

I ended up doing something similar a few years ago. Picked up a MacBook Pro M1 Max back when the M1 stuff was new to replace an aging Lenovo running Linux. I actually really loved my Lenovo + Linux, but the M1 was new and shiny and I desperately wanted better battery life. The hardware was great, but life on a Mac always felt a bit convoluted. Updating the OS was especially frustrating as a software developer because…

I have an M1 air and 8th gen intel Dell (openbsd) and I’m much happier wit the Dell for hacking on stuff. MacOS is pretty much a nightmare if your workflow is not apps and IDE centered.

Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by afandian »

Sharlin wrote: post #356
heavyset_go wrote: post #328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've used Macs for 20 years starting on the day 32-bit Intel Macs were released, and agree with the GP. Linux and Plasma spoiled me, going back to macOS and its windowing system feels like a step backward, especially for development, where using multiple windows is a must. Task switching is.. not good? I don't get window previews I can switch through when I hover over the dock, but I do on Linux. Yes, I know about Ya…

> Task switching is.. not good? I don't get window previews I can switch through when I hover over the dock, but I do on Linux. That just sounds like being accustomed to one way of switching tasks, honestly. If I want previews, I use Expose (three-finger swipe up/down or ctrl-up/down). But mostly I just use cmd-tab and haven't really needed to see previews there. Because macOS switches between applications , not wind…

The app switching behaviour is really infuriating. Selecting a window and having all the app’s windows come to the fore, obscuring the window from another app is still annoying, 20 years on.

And then when you full-screen a window, switch to another app for a moment, and then you can’t find it without delving into the ‘window‘ menu.

First world problems. But daily annoyances.

Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by asdff »

shepherdjerred wrote: post #133
defraudbah wrote: post #76

it says "up to 14 hours more than intel based mpro", which means intel was designed to last 10 hours which matches what was advertised https://web.archive.org/web/20201109092341/https://www.apple... we went from 10 hours to 24 hours in 5 years - impressive i wonder why they advertise gaming on the laptop, anyone plays anything Meaningful on macbooks?

Most of the games I play (League of Legends, Civ, Factorio) work really well on my MacBook.

As they should. Those are like 10 year old games.

The trend I see that is more concerning is that previously mac friendly game devs have already abandoned the platform. Valve no longer maintains mac os builds of their games like cs or tf2. City skylines 1 had a first party mac release but City skylines 2 skipped mac os.

Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by asdff »

daft_pink wrote: post #38

Apple’s chip release schedule is so borked. It should be High end Pro and Studio first and then iPad, Air, Mini and downgraded Pro. Why they release the iPad and Low End Pro is beyond me. Everyone buying their high end gear is buying something waiting to be refreshed now.

Apple releases a more performant chip every year. If you need you buy. Its always outdated around the corner. Why sweat it?
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