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Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by wkat4242 »

userbinator wrote: post #313
hulitu wrote: post #279

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> there was a period where MS was seen as the good guys Some people are really naive.

There was a period when they were as hostile to Linux and non-Windows as a competitor would naturally be, but they were not hostile to users. Try Windows 98/2K in a VM and see how peaceful the Windows experience used to be.

They're not so hostile to Linux anymore because their business no longer depends do much on selling OSes but services.

However they still want you to use windows because it makes it easier to sell their services. Windows has become a marketing vehicle which is why it now demands we create a Microsoft account and constantly pushes things like OneDrive as the article alludes to.

I don't think they were ever any more benign. It was always a pretty hardcore business. First software then services (and now they're hell-bent on becoming the biggest AI player, not very successfully so because they're really only a reseller of watered-down OpenAI services)

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by wkat4242 »

RHSeeger wrote: post #298
rootusrootus wrote: post #234

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I've been a Mac & Linux user since about 2007 or so, and I had no idea what Windows had become. Then a couple weeks ago I caved and built my son a Windows gaming PC. Egads, Windows is annoying! Even more so than I remember! I'm amazed that people actually put up with it for their daily driver. Right on schedule, my son came to me yesterday evening and asked what he should do about the backup warning. It didn't give a…

My Mac tells me 5+ times per day that it's unable to backup something or another because I'm not logged into the Apple cloud or whatever it's called. And there's not obvious way to make it stop. This is not unique to Windows.

True that was the other reason I moved off it. Linux and KDE have never bothered me about such matters However macOS doesn't cram this party advertising, news headlines, shopping coupons and (for now) AI services down your throat.

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by wkat4242 »

excalibur wrote: post #315
Delk wrote: post #292

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On their own devices, lots of non-power users probably just accept whatever Windows suggests. Enterprise versions of Windows either don't have a lot of the crap or they allow it to be disabled by company IT. Techie users might just find tweaks online that allows disabling dark patterns on their devices. I don't know how people who care but aren't techie enough to install workarounds (or to tell good ones from bad one…

> Enterprise versions of Windows either don't have a lot of the crap or they allow it to be disabled by company IT. Generally if the company is deploying Windows they are using OneDrive, although the exact configuration will vary. Windows has always been designed with corporate customers in mind. That's true more than ever today, the whole Azure ecosystem is very lucrative for them. Personal Windows users have always…

Yes though corporate OneDrive is very different from the consumer one. It's a lot less pushy.

Though it's very well possible to use another service as a corporate client. We did for many years.

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by hkpack »

wkat4242 wrote: post #397
NoPicklez wrote: post #395

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> I'm amazed people actually put up with it for their daily driver Bit of an overreaction, the majority of the world is on Windows (I use both as my daily). I'm sure as a Mac user you remember the days around 2007 where there were a lot of compatibility issues on Mac, it has come along way. Your annoyance with Windows is likely due to what I see a lot of which is simply that the operation system works and does things…

I used all three every day for years. Until I dropped Mac because I got sick of apple's opinionated design. Linux with KDE of course because gnome is even worse than Apple. That kinda solved the only big issue I had switching OSes constantly, the copy paste shortcuts. Apple is command-c/v and if you constantly switch you never get used to it.

> I used all three every day for years.

Yeah, would not recommend. From my experience tweaking three OSes to be similar enough to be able to form muscle memory for efficient use is not trivial.

Unless you spend 99% of time in terminal, then it can be done, but in that case OS doesn’t matter. That is what I personally ended up doing.

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by makeitdouble »

3form wrote: post #378
dingdingdang wrote: post #353

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The only, as per personal exp, way to properly setup a Win11 machine these days is strictly via LTSC release and WinUtil from Chris Titus + local account - clean and no "feature" updates for almost 10 yrs. Add to that Chocolatey for package management that takes away the "every piece of software adds it's own autoupdater crap"-pain and the OS is suddenly very capable for almost all computing needs.

It's funny to me to see that to achieve this Linux-like result you need to go through the Linux-like installation process.

We're a niche, but at this point most people I see around are spending the majority of their time in unix/linux through whatever layer feels right for them, be it the Darwin system or WSL2 or straight docker/container. The overall maintenance being linuxy is par for the course.

Good timing to plug this other article on the top page, Exactly om that paradox:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45562286

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by wkat4242 »

hkpack wrote: post #404
wkat4242 wrote: post #397

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used all three every day for years. Until I dropped Mac because I got sick of apple's opinionated design. Linux with KDE of course because gnome is even worse than Apple. That kinda solved the only big issue I had switching OSes constantly, the copy paste shortcuts. Apple is command-c/v and if you constantly switch you never get used to it.

> I used all three every day for years. Yeah, would not recommend. From my experience tweaking three OSes to be similar enough to be able to form muscle memory for efficient use is not trivial. Unless you spend 99% of time in terminal, then it can be done, but in that case OS doesn’t matter. That is what I personally ended up doing.

I didn't really have any issues except for the control-C/V problem. I still use Linux and windows intermingled (windows for work and gaming and Linux for everything else)

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by okanat »

GeekyBear wrote: post #389
ajkjk wrote: post #218

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the fact that you have to have an apple account to do all kinds of basic developer tasks (installing Xcode / Xcode command line tools, which are needed for lots of stuff last time I checked (a few years ago?)) is evidence that they suck also. But not nearly as bad as Microsoft who are actively scum from the moment you first turn the computer on.

"I need a free developer account to download Xcode" is certainly more user friendly than "I have to pay a subscription fee or pay up front to use Visual Studio".

Visual Studio is free for individuals though even for commercial purposes.

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by esperent »

brushfoot wrote: post #55
badsectoracula wrote: post #12

May i suggest some solutions? :-P -> https://endof10.org/ (it has a map with people who can help install Linux) -> https://www.opensuse.org/ (what i'm using on my PCs, works fine for the most part[0]) -> https://www.linuxmint.com/ (people seem to like this) -> https://bazzite.gg/ (seems to be popular with gamers) -> https://www.debian.org/ (almost everything is based on this :-P) [0] for the most part because nothing…

My main reasons for using Windows right now are: - Davinci Resolve - Adobe suite - AutoHotkey scripts, lots of them - Microsoft Office, mainly PowerPoint, Excel and Word for creating and interacting with other companies' docs. Libre/OpenOffice mangled them/were missing features I depend on - Issues with my laptop's Nvidia card (screen tearing etc.) last time I tried to switch, and rabbit holes that I don't have time…

> Issues with my laptop's Nvidia card (screen tearing etc.)

I'm running Ubuntu on a laptop with a 3070m. I don't have any issues like this. I did have issues related to using an external monitor but they all seemed to resolve when I switched from Gnome Wayland to Gnome X11.

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by GeekyBear »

RHSeeger wrote: post #298
rootusrootus wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been a Mac & Linux user since about 2007 or so, and I had no idea what Windows had become. Then a couple weeks ago I caved and built my son a Windows gaming PC. Egads, Windows is annoying! Even more so than I remember! I'm amazed that people actually put up with it for their daily driver. Right on schedule, my son came to me yesterday evening and asked what he should do about the backup warning. It didn't give a…

My Mac tells me 5+ times per day that it's unable to backup something or another because I'm not logged into the Apple cloud or whatever it's called. And there's not obvious way to make it stop. This is not unique to Windows.

If you don't want to receive notifications from iCloud, go into Notifications in the System Settings and uncheck the box next to iCloud in the list of what is allowed to send notifications.

How do you do you block One Drive on Windows from nagging you constantly?

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by coffeeling »

bigyabai wrote: post #93
delusional wrote: post #79

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> feels like a toy for kids. I wish unserious complaining like this wasn't mixed with actual technical criticism of software.

It is very serious. I love the way Catalina and Mojave looks; dark mode or light mode, it just screams "professional" at the top of it's lungs. Big Sur is, somehow, the exact opposite. Corners are rounded off as if they could hurt someone, and margins are padded more than a cell in solitary confinement. Space is wasted everywhere. It's Fischer-Price design philosophy and I'm hardly the only one to point it out. In a…

It's also weird because Microsoft has some excuse for wasting screen real estate - Windows is used on touchscreen devices and has to at least adapt to them. But Apple stubbornly refuses to put touchscreens on laptops, at which point what excuse do you have to not build good information density?
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