I was hoping this would be a competitor to gmail
Cloudflare Email Service: private beta
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Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta
#402Earlier quoted context omitted.
> the internet was worse without Cloudflare It had much more freedom. Currently it's up to Cloudflare to decide whether you will read that article or not. Tomorrow some stupid law will mandate certain ideas to be hidden from children[1] and Cloudflare will happily comply. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children
Nearly any company under a government's jurisdiction will comply to a legal order to censor content, especially if its done in the claimed goal of protecting children. Those companies that don't comply will be shut down or targeted in some way if the legal order had any political teeth behind it. There's no way around that unfortunately, short of limiting government power in the first place so such an order would nev…
that's why the gov't has somehow shut down torrenting and piracy. Oh wait...
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#403Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nearly any company under a government's jurisdiction will comply to a legal order to censor content, especially if its done in the claimed goal of protecting children. Those companies that don't comply will be shut down or targeted in some way if the legal order had any political teeth behind it. There's no way around that unfortunately, short of limiting government power in the first place so such an order would nev…
that's why the gov't has somehow shut down torrenting and piracy. Oh wait...
Piracy is already operating outside of the law, there's no corporation to take legal action against, only individuals.
A company is (usually) operating within the law, and if they wish to stay operating, have to follow the laws of the nations they operate in.
Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta
#404Eventually all Internet protocols will be MITMed by cloudflare. Your single point of interception!
I’ve never understood the evil MITM endgame here. Cloudflare’s ToS and contracts prevent them from doing nastiness with your data without breach, and approximately all their revenue comes from large enterprises that will leave in droves (and some will actually sue them) if they started exploiting it. The thing where they let DDoSers use them to protect their public sites from rival DDoSers is sketchy as hell, but doe…
>Cloudflare’s ToS and contracts prevent them from doing nastiness
Crypto AG's ToS also presumably said "we pinky promise not to backdoor our devices" when selling it to foreign governments, and look how they ended up.
Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta
#405Earlier quoted context omitted.
Looks like I need to become a literal ISP then. Before I even start this bureaucratic process, I need to create an actual organization. Then I need to be assigned an ASN. Only then I'll be allowed to beg them for IPs. Once all that's taken care of, I need to tell them things like what the IPs will be used for and what my infrastructure is. If they like my answer, then they'll approve my request and finally tell me wh…
https://registro.br/tecnologia/numeracao/custos/ Setup R$ 14.080,00 (~ 2,624 USD) anual cost R$ 3.379,20 (~ 630 USD)
Wow, that's pretty crazy, compared to the US. I paid a one-time fee of $50, then $262.50/year for IPv4 block + IPv6 block + ASN: https://www.arin.net/resources/fees/fee_schedule/
I've been through the process about 10 times now at various companies, and the paperwork (at least for ARIN) is no more difficult than what would be expected to justify IP space from your typical ISP. If anything, the ARIN folks are more responsive and technically competent than your average ISP support agent, which makes the process easier.
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#407Earlier quoted context omitted.
> the internet was worse without Cloudflare It had much more freedom. Currently it's up to Cloudflare to decide whether you will read that article or not. Tomorrow some stupid law will mandate certain ideas to be hidden from children[1] and Cloudflare will happily comply. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children
>> Currently it's up to Cloudflare to decide whether you will read that article or not. How is Cloudflare gatekeeping things? I believe you but don't understand the mechanism.
The realistic right now worry is that you'll fall afoul of Cloudflare's bot checking and they just won't connect you through to your destination.
The potential future worry would be if cloudflare decide they don't like the article or you for some other reason, they can refuse to connect you.
These do both rely on your traffic being routed through Cloudflare's servers, but a LOT of traffic is
Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta
#408Eventually all Internet protocols will be MITMed by cloudflare. Your single point of interception!
To be honest, the internet was worse without Cloudflare, so as long as they provide a good service for their customers, I’m fine with it. This is one of those. Google is in a perfect position to compete but they don’t, so it’s not like Cloudflare is a monopoly or something. At least they’re not selling ads using your data.
> the internet was worse without Cloudflare
Thats a very bold statement, would you mind elaborating it?
Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta
#409It's unfortunate that email hosting and email infrastructure can really be done only well by major players. The days of people running and maintaining their own are pretty much long gone. Fwiw, not a knock against CF. I like their products, mostly simple, fair pricing, etc. Just a bit unfortunate commentary on the state of email infra on the internet.
> It's unfortunate that email hosting and email infrastructure can really be done only well by major players. The days of people running and maintaining their own are pretty much long gone.
Its really not. Everyone can do that (doesn't mean everyone should). I'm running it for millions of emails daily and don't see why I would crappy proprietary service instead.
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#410Kind of off-topic, but it's such a pity that we arrived at email as the local minimum for the best communication protocol for transactional messages. Having to set up an email service just to be able to enable authentication flows on a new website is such a hindrance that I keep wondering if it would be different if sending push notifications to a cell phone was made an open protocol..
China was able to pull that one off, pretty much no one uses email there.
Thats nowhere near reality. Its used a lot in corporate world.