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Terence Tao: The role of small organizations in society has shrunk significantly

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Re: Terence Tao: The role of small organizations in society has shrunk significantly

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Great post. One lesser known factor that's contributing to this problem is bank consolidation in the US. * Big banks prefer to lend to big companies because it's more profitable to make one $100M loan than 1,000 $100k loans. * Banks also prefer to lend for non-productive consumption like mortgages because loans backed by hard assets are less risky than productive loans to small businesses, despite those loans not con…

Isn't this part of why crypto has been so successful — at least outside the U.S. where the fiat currency isn't as stable?

I think it's part of the reason Bitcoin has been successful - it's a store of value that governments/banks can't inflate away, similar to gold.

But crypto has also made US dollar stable coins popular, which are arguably better than holding some hyper inflating currency like the Argentinian Peso, but the holders of those stablecoins are still "taxed" when the US government/banks inflate the currency (and are worse off than US citizens who should at least benefit a small amount from whatever the printed money is spent on).

The holy grail is a new internet-native stable coin that keeps a relatively steady price but can't be easily inflated away by a small group of people (e.g. backed by a basket of assets), but so far most attempts to do that have failed. I bet eventually we'll have a popular one that works, though.

Re: Terence Tao: The role of small organizations in society has shrunk significantly

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Monopolies are better for shareholder value. They destroy competition and the fair market, but shareholder value is all that counts nowadays. So here we are. And the worst offenders are probably in the IT industry and startup world.

Suppose we could wave a magic wand and require that some fixed percentage (or more) of every corporation had to be owned by employees. Would that help resolve the problem?

Suppose further that corporate managers were prohibited from making tax-advantaged donations to non-profits except upon a fixed percentage of employees approving the donation. Would that help?

Aside from employees, there are also the communities within which corporations operate. Suppose we required that a certain percentage of any taxable profits be earmarked for donation to non-profits within the communities within which the corporations operate. Would that help? But maybe we would we have to pair this with the proposal above for this to work?

Re: Terence Tao: The role of small organizations in society has shrunk significantly

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would concur. It's my observation from 20 years of watching and participating - the volunteers are the retired, the wealthy, the underemployed, and the stay at home parent. "Normal" working people are not volunteering and handling the complexity of doing these things, they are at their work. I can only imagine that prior generations had the working parent participate through the free time freed up by the stay at ho…

I'll add that there are some feedback loops making it worse. When these organizations aren't available kids are more dependent on their parents for something to do, which makes the already strained parents even less likely to take on volunteer work. And then kids who grew up without mentors are less likely to try to be that for someone else. Basically the orgs don't have enough volunteers to do important things, and…

Yes, the network effect and cumulative impact is profound.

If I were to make a lightly educated guess - those who were teens in the 40s and 50s saw the world of their parents and their sacrifices, along with the totalitarianism of the USSR and Nazi Germany, and decided to pursue individualism over community. So as they got to an age to participate they opted out, as well as increasing the total social individualism. And here we are.

I don't know exactly what the way out here looks like, but I believe it absolutely means involvement with local organizations. Kiwanis, elks, rotary, religious, etc.

Re: Terence Tao: The role of small organizations in society has shrunk significantly

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like rock paper scissors, there are multiple dimensions to power and the state doesn’t always possess all of them. Media being the most obvious one (fourth estate). Federal bank another. As the split of government and parliament.

The media has died though, ‘no one’ watches the MSM under 30, everyone is online in their safe space.

> The media has died though, ‘no one’ watches the MSM

Media != MSM

Re: Terence Tao: The role of small organizations in society has shrunk significantly

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post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like rock paper scissors, there are multiple dimensions to power and the state doesn’t always possess all of them. Media being the most obvious one (fourth estate). Federal bank another. As the split of government and parliament.

The media has died though, ‘no one’ watches the MSM under 30, everyone is online in their safe space.

online is the media.

Re: Terence Tao: The role of small organizations in society has shrunk significantly

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Small organizations used to provide the bulk of low-cost housing to transients. (Until early 70s)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boarding_house#History

One wonders if the homeless situation would improve if people were more aware of their historical role

Re: Terence Tao: The role of small organizations in society has shrunk significantly

#407

> Large organized groups can offer substantially more economies of scale, and so can outcompete small organizations based on the economic goods they offer. This premise ignores the existence of the Internet. Wherein small groups of distributed actors can combine their efforts through a nearly instantaneous communications mechanism to match that of the larger groups. The federal government was conceived when horses we…

Who built it? The answer illuminates your final paragraph, although it does suggest maybe rethinking "replacement"

Re: Terence Tao: The role of small organizations in society has shrunk significantly

#408
I agree. I would say in practical terms the most impactful subcategory here is companies and their consolidation. This is especially so because they tend to be more strict about funneling money to the top, which generally means they funnel decision-making to the top as well, and that leads to the problem mentioned about individuals having difficulty influencing what goes on in the organization.

The same phenomenon is observable with other kinds of groups, but I think less so. Various kinds of clubs and local institutions exist more robustly than small independent businesses. Even those that remain though are under threat from big companies. (A great example is how Craigslist, and later things like Facebook Marketplace, centralized and gobbled up all the money that used to go to classified advertisements in local newspapers.)

I think a key point is this:

> Large organized groups can offer substantially more economies of scale, and so can outcompete small organizations based on the economic goods they offer.

More and more I'm coming to the conclusion that economies of scale are a bad thing. As in, they have harmful effects. When it becomes cheaper and cheaper to do more and more of what you're doing, that creates a runaway feedback loop. We need to consciously work towards making it so that the stable equilibrium state is many small organizations that stay small, and growth happens largely through the creation of new organizations rather than the growth of existing ones.

Re: Terence Tao: The role of small organizations in society has shrunk significantly

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Matches my experience. Our kids' co-op preschool went out of business last year; their actual preschool got bought by private equity and is struggling to survive. Longtime neighbors say the spirit of volunteerism in the upper schools is suffering. And institutions that were big civic centers when I grew up - freemasons, Boy/Girl/Cub/Brownie Scouts, 4-H, YMCA/YWCA, local bowling/skating rinks, etc - are now shadows of…

Don't agree - just as an example, the poorest Irish immigrants in NYC were part of Tammany Hall wards. I think technology has reduced the need for economic/political actors to organize via hyper-local blocks.

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Re: Terence Tao: The role of small organizations in society has shrunk significantly

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Matches my experience. Our kids' co-op preschool went out of business last year; their actual preschool got bought by private equity and is struggling to survive. Longtime neighbors say the spirit of volunteerism in the upper schools is suffering. And institutions that were big civic centers when I grew up - freemasons, Boy/Girl/Cub/Brownie Scouts, 4-H, YMCA/YWCA, local bowling/skating rinks, etc - are now shadows of…

Don't agree - just as an example, the poorest Irish immigrants in NYC were part of Tammany Hall wards. I think technology has reduced the need for economic/political actors to organize via hyper-local blocks.

Agreed. Why ask the local carpenter, or librarian how to do something when it can be Googled or find a YouTube video of it? Communities gathered to solve problems they couldn't solve alone.

We still can't solve them alone (we need big tech), and big tech is preferred because its lower friction. Ex: calling an Uber is often lower friction than asking a friend to pickup your groceries when your car is broken.

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