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Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by skippyboxedhero »

alkonaut wrote: post #340
Muromec wrote: post #20

This is not what functioning bureaucracy in a functioning democracy looks like.

Do Americans even want functioning bureaucracy? I'm starting to doubt they realize just how complex a modern democracy is, and how many moving parts need to work _just right_ for there to be jobs, money, media, law and order, free speech etc. A presidential candidate should be able to campaign on "normal foreign relations", "independent authorities", "functioning government", "decorum in politics", "balanced budget",…

A functioning bureaucracy is the death knell of ordered society.

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by zaptheimpaler »

xtracto wrote: post #197
HippoBaro wrote: post #16

It was nighttime in Singapore when the ruling was announced. My husband and I scrambled to find a flight back. The best we could find, at any price, lands 25mins after the deadline. We are on our way there.

I feel for you. I just wonder, at this point why would someone look to go back to the US "At any price", given how bad are they being treated? From what I can see, it seems most of us non-US people are "persona non grata" in the US. I myself am and live in a so called "shithole country ". But specially because of my Technical skills, I've got plenty of opportunities over here. I would never think on living in the USA…

I did move away from the US because of these reasons, and it's been a good decision in retrospect. But no one likes uprooting their entire life and it takes years to build a new one somewhere else.

The calculus on immigrating to the US today is clearly negative, but many people immigrated 5/10/20+ years ago before all this shit and have lives there. They did not know any of this would happen.

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Post by crop_rotation »

JuniperMesos wrote: post #373
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #358

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of Europe, Central and South America, Canada, Australia, Japan, India, South Korea - the majority of the world that could not already be described as authoritarian

People describe all of these countries as authoritarian for various reasons. Multiple Indian immigrants I have worked with in the US have expressed displeasure at authoritarianism in India today, which I find difficult to distinguish from just not liking Modi.

I mean authoritarianism in India is far worse than what Trump can do at his worst, so their displeasure is not unwarranted.

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Post by decremental »

JuniperMesos wrote: post #373
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #358

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of Europe, Central and South America, Canada, Australia, Japan, India, South Korea - the majority of the world that could not already be described as authoritarian

People describe all of these countries as authoritarian for various reasons. Multiple Indian immigrants I have worked with in the US have expressed displeasure at authoritarianism in India today, which I find difficult to distinguish from just not liking Modi.

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Post by dboreham »

pinkmuffinere wrote: post #352
xyzelement wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am a Republican and an immigrant and there are millions of others. So perhaps it is more complicated than that.

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Perhaps the idea is the post must be false, since nobody would support a party so opposed to their own interests. Otoh that's how left wing politics has worked since the 70s..

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Post by blibble »

dvdkon wrote: post #313
ericmay wrote: post #235

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Maybe Satya can call Donald Trump? I am sure he has his phone number. They can sort it

So if you want your employees to be able to go back from vacation and back to their belongings, you have to pay a large fee. And to pay that fee, you have to talk to the president personally, otherwise you're screwed. That's so dumb I can't believe you're suggesting it. In a rule-of-law country, lobbying the president should never be a solution to anything, much less routine bureaucracy.

> In a rule-of-law country

here's your problem

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Post by verbify »

nis0s wrote: post #363

A lot of aggrieved comments blaming US leadership, but nary a word about the leadership of countries which create conditions that people have to emigrate from. Populations of most countries offshore the blame for the lack of economic opportunity or social conditions where they live. I don’t blame the common folk, it’s the leaders and elite of such places who are responsible for their countries relative success or fai…

Some people just emigrate without lack of economic opportunity or social conditions. I have a German friend living in Japan because he's curious about Japan (he previously lived in the UK).

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by jacquesm »

thisisit wrote: post #384
cs_throwaway wrote: post #271

I think a lot of people arguing about the H1B visa are talking past each other. - There is no doubt a large volume of abuse by tech consulting companies. It's likely even worse than it looks, because the H1Bs in the U.S. are to support even larger teams offshore. I don't understand why we can't just blacklist these companies. - Some of medium-skill hires, e.g., did a 2 year MS degree from random university in the U.S…

To add lot of people don't seem to have read the full announcement. It says Secretary of Homeland Security can grant exception. That means companies like Tesla are more likely to get a pass - because manufacturing jobs and what not. Also, HN is hyper focused on tech consulting. H1Bs are used by doctors too especially in rural America. Doctors apply for J1 waiver and then get H1B for work. From what I have heard some…

I'm pretty happy that my continued existence isn't subject to selective enforcement by some US bureaucrat. After all, given the last six months that sounds like a pretty stress inducing thing to have to be subjected to. They seem to err on the side of maximum harm, rather than caution.

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Post by s5300 »

sega_sai wrote: post #317

I am so glad I left the States. It is horrible to live in a country where on a whim of a deranged leader your whole life can be upended. No country is perfect, but the way US now behaves towards people on visas is not tolerable. (And it was similar situation during COVID)

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