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Trump to impose $100k fee for H-1B worker visas, White House says

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Re: Trump to impose $100k fee for H-1B worker visas, White House says

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Post by Chinjut »

duped wrote: post #213
frogblast wrote: post #80

IMO the problem is that H1B employees are stuck at the employer for the duration of their green card process, and so end up both paid lower and unable to escape abuse. I think a very high application fee is actually part of a good solution, but is useless by itself. A flawed proposal: * Dispense with the 'need to search for a qualified American' which just complicates the process without achieving the stated goal, an…

I mean I'll admit I'm a bit of a radical on this issue, but I think the most sensible work authorization policy is "you're welcome if you're not a criminal, terrorist, or public health risk, and on that last point here's some penicillin and a flu/covid shot, let us know when you're feeling better" My ancestors came here ~140 years ago when the only "visa" process was a look in the mouth at Ellis Island. I don't see a…

Hear, hear.

Re: Trump to impose $100k fee for H-1B worker visas, White House says

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Post by hamstergene »

leakycap wrote: post #90
frogblast wrote: post #80

IMO the problem is that H1B employees are stuck at the employer for the duration of their green card process, and so end up both paid lower and unable to escape abuse. I think a very high application fee is actually part of a good solution, but is useless by itself. A flawed proposal: * Dispense with the 'need to search for a qualified American' which just complicates the process without achieving the stated goal, an…

No company would ever sponsor someone if the last bullet is part of the deal. You're just killing the visa program another way with that wishlist item alone.

Locals have always been allowed to quit the new job on day 1, and it has never been a crisis for employers.

A company that is confident it is offering worthy salary and career should have no extra reason to worry a foreign worker will quit during first week, than that a local worker would do the same thing.

The only difference a fee would make under such conditions is that locals become cheaper to hire, which is the point.

Re: Trump to impose $100k fee for H-1B worker visas, White House says

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Post by frogperson »

roughly wrote: post #85

I think there’s plenty of interesting debates to be had about immigration policy and its effects on the labor market, but one thing worth noting here is that the primary problem that damn near every other country on earth has isn’t immigration, it’s brain drain. A core strategic strength of the US over the last century has been that everyone with any talent wants to come here to work, and by and large we’ve let them…

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Re: Trump to impose $100k fee for H-1B worker visas, White House says

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Post by Izikiel43 »

bubblethink wrote: post #365

This is a net positive action for the following reasons: The chuds have been clamoring for this for a long time. You can see every past thread on HN all the way back to the December blowup on twitter with Elon. At the same time, the economy is lagging and the admin's more direct measures to drum up support from the base such as chaining and deporting Koreans at the Hyundai factory are tanking future prospects for the…

> as they don't have the authority.

Isn't this a change USCIS makes? Or does it have to go through congress?

Re: Trump to impose $100k fee for H-1B worker visas, White House says

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Post by bubblethink »

Izikiel43 wrote: post #405
bubblethink wrote: post #365

This is a net positive action for the following reasons: The chuds have been clamoring for this for a long time. You can see every past thread on HN all the way back to the December blowup on twitter with Elon. At the same time, the economy is lagging and the admin's more direct measures to drum up support from the base such as chaining and deporting Koreans at the Hyundai factory are tanking future prospects for the…

> as they don't have the authority. Isn't this a change USCIS makes? Or does it have to go through congress?

Congress. This will cause interim disruption though while the lawsuits play out.

Re: Trump to impose $100k fee for H-1B worker visas, White House says

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Post by anigbrowl »

reply00r123 wrote: post #372

I ran into a guy making double six figures for like the last 7 years at a known public tech company. He was literally doing the most basic DevOps (Terraform). Nothing fancy. Zero ability to program. No willingness or desire to learn programming. He was an H1B. That blew me away. How is it possible that you have a guy in the US for 10 years who never bothered learning to code doing a 200K / year job. The abuse of H1B…

He's kinda smart though. Automating yourself out of a job is a mug's game, and not everyone wants to or should go into management.

Re: Trump to impose $100k fee for H-1B worker visas, White House says

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Post by davidw »

RealityVoid wrote: post #347
davidw wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As always, so much zero-sum thinking in all these discussions. Often, the person may not have been as productive, happy, or well compensated in their own country. Also, over time, some of those people make money in the US and take that, their knowledge and skills and go back home to share there. Everyone is better off. I was discussing this elsewhere, and dug up something I wrote 11 years ago, and I think I'm still p…

I greatly enjoyed your article and it saddens me the rise of this "us vs them" mentality. But people that think like you still give me hope.

Why thank you! That's kind of you to write.

I'm from the US, but lived in Europe for quite a while, and my kids have dual citizenship. I think that people moving to places where they are better off is a good thing.

Re: Trump to impose $100k fee for H-1B worker visas, White House says

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Post by Saline9515 »

SilverElfin wrote: post #3

Doesn’t this just mean less talent? Companies would hire locally if equal level talent was available. I doubt it’s really about saving money when these jobs earn a lot of revenue per employee. Adding this fee means companies may just not find anyone worth hiring. It would make more sense to require H1B salary to be equal to the highest paid local employee of the same role at that company than to just throw an arbitra…

If you believe in the laws of supply and demand, it means lower wages for local workers, as they have to compete with foreign competitors. In the long term, lower incentives for local workers to get into the sectors hiring H1Bs. Those sectors will then complain about the lack of local workers and ask for more H1bs.

Re: Trump to impose $100k fee for H-1B worker visas, White House says

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Post by desolate_muffin »

TriangleEdge wrote: post #214
srameshc wrote: post #104

This is going to kill H1B and immigration from countries like India, China and others for skilled workers. Even though $100K isn't a lot considering the overall investment that goes into hiring a full time employee, employers wouldn't risk that kind of money apart from all the document processing they have to. Maybe big tech will hire a few hundred every year but others won't even bother.

> Maybe big tech will hire a few hundred every year ... A few hundred? All of the tech companies I've worked for are > 50% Indians in the US. Especially in big tech. I could be wrong, but my understanding is there there is not enough software developers in the US, hence the temp workers. Is there expectation that the demand will drop?

Well for starters, maybe my new grad SWE buddy with 2 YOE will finally find a job after being laid off for nearly a year.
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