Thousands of teen coders now hate Salesforce in advance. This is very shortsighted.
Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year
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Re: Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year
#402Re: Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year
#403Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm in Hack Club, the team is moving all of us to self-hosted Mattermost. It is unfortunate that we have to re-code so many things though.
I've never used Mattermost before today. After checking out their site, I can see they are also a for-profit company. What does Mattermost offer that Slack does not, other than a bill lower than $195K/year?
Mattermost is open-core software: you can self-host and they can't turn you off or raise the price.
Re: Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year
#404Thousands of teen coders now hate Salesforce in advance . This is very shortsighted.
Though maybe one of the better lessons they could have learned in such a course.
Re: Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year
#405Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm in Hack Club, the team is moving all of us to self-hosted Mattermost. It is unfortunate that we have to re-code so many things though.
I've never used Mattermost before today. After checking out their site, I can see they are also a for-profit company. What does Mattermost offer that Slack does not, other than a bill lower than $195K/year?
You can deploy it self-hosted without paying any fee, so you control your data much more.
Re: Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year
#406Hi! An official announcement from Zach Latta has been made in the Hack Club Slack. We're moving to Mattermost now and we're trying to export all messages, DMs, etc. Disclaimer: I am a member of Hack Club's Slack and NOT a working personnel there.
Not sure if you saw this, but another user pointed out that Mattermost is moving to limit self-hosted instances to 1,000 users: https://forum.mattermost.com/t/solved-is-there-any-limitatio...
Re: Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year
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#408Since you're a nonprofit that teaches coding, it could be a great time to consider self-hosting a FOSS chat tool. Suggestions: Campfire [0] or Zulip [1]. Also, if the data in chat is being held hostage, the org might be using chat wrong. Right tool for right purpose. If starting over, perhaps consider if it would make sense to put that documentation or whatever it is that will get "lost" from Slack into a wiki or rep…
Zulip is awesome. Super easy to self host. Upgrades go very smoothly. Their thread title concept is great (though they are relaxing its requirement lately). The only thing you don't get if you self host is the mobile notifications. This happened recently and it's a bummer but that's what they came up with to monetize the project, as is their right. Paying $5000 for chat is ridiculous to me when such good alternatives exist.
Re: Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year
#409Note that Mattermost is fake open source cosplay, and keeps important features in their non-foss application. If you want these table stakes features (like SSO or message expiry) you’ll find yourself maintaining your own fork or janky scaffolding (I have cronjobs that run SQL directly against the db). They are using open source licenses simply as marketing for their proprietary enterprise software product. It’s still…
Mattermost is fully licensed under AGPLv3 terms, and portions can be used under Apache 2 terms as well.
I'm not sure why people would say they're not open source.
It's true there's no community-led edition, but that's because no one has taken the initiative to create one yet.
Re: Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year
#410Slack's business model has always been that you give them all your most critical data and they sell you access to it. This is basically the business model of the traditional kind of ransomware, before people got better at making backups. You probably should expect large bill increases over time from ransomware-as-a-service companies like Slack. Not all of them—people are capable of behaving decently—but probably the…
This can be generalised to a lot of SaaS