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Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Go read this UNHCR report. All the evidence is just circular references to other bodies who reference each other. The most damning thing they could pin on Israel was that "Israel admits 83% of the casualties are civilians". That idea was because Israel could name 17% of the casualties in Hamas registers as members of the organization. But assuming that every other casualty is a civilian is quite a stretch. For one th…

Pages 51-54 contain a list of on-the-record quotes from the government itself. Those, at least, are not in contention.

And they are interpreted in the fashion most damning to Israel, whereas much worse on-the-record quotes from other bodies, notably those bodies which have demonstrated intent to destroy Israel, are interpreted more favourably.

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Title: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza Reality: The report was written by a 3 person UNHRC commission, which itself is seated by Ethiopia, Congo, Sudan, and Qatar.

> Reality: The report was written by a 3 person UNHRC commission, which itself is seated by Ethiopia, Congo, Sudan, and Qatar. Your framing that "3 people from Ethiopia/Congo/Sudan/Qatar wrote the report" is both incorrect and deeply racist. Edit: and to make it clear, the report was authored by the "Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, and I…

That's not how I phrased it. I said that this is a 3-person report commissioned by the UNHRC. I then mentioned known human rights abusers who chair the UNHRC.

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It's always useful to balance these claims against their critics. Towards that end I offer up unwatch. https://unwatch.org/

unwatch is funded by religious lunatics in Israel. Nobody takes it seriously.

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Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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This was me. I was browsing Hamas' Telegram account as they released the FPV videos that day. The two most disturbing scenes were the pantless body of a teenaged girl being burned amidst chanting of "Allahu Akbar", and militants scouring buildings for any person or pet they could kill and doing just that whenever they found someone. I learned a very uncomfortable—though valuable—lesson about humans that day.

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this is a baseless conspiracy. There is an entire report going over the operational failures that allowed oct 7th to happen and it wasnt the idf intentionally standing aside to let it happen. Also friend fire is predicted to be in the single digits and I dont think any has actually been confirmed.

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Those are US state legislators. We have 7,386 of them. Sometimes a few wander outside during their election races. You could easily fit that delegation into New Hampshire’s House of Representatives of 400 seats. Meanwhile it’s more than double California’s total state legislature size of 120 seats. It’s fun!

Still a strangely high number. Imagine 250 representatives all going to a country with a similar population. It'd be mighty strange if 250 representatives from across the US went to Kyrgyzstan. Frankly, I'd find it strange if 250 went next door to Mexico all in the same year and that's a directly neighboring country that's actually relevant to US interests and the US's single biggest trade partner. Israel gets some s…

It would be more accurate to compare to England, France, or Canada. The US relationship with Mexico is complicated.

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Title: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza Reality: The report was written by a 3 person UNHRC commission, which itself is seated by Ethiopia, Congo, Sudan, and Qatar.

I had to look this up on Wikipedia and remembered this is the 19 year old UNHRC. They have never been objective in regards to the Middle East conflict.

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If only the blue representatives would resolve this tension by pulling support for a now internationally-recognised genocide! :( I suppose that option is just too radical to put on the table.

The Biden administration brokered and pressured Israel into a ceasefire that asymmetrically disfavored them. Israel exchanged 30 Hamas militants per Israeli hostage. The ceasefire outlined a permanent resolution to the conflict, including Israel's full withdrawal from Gaza. They also pressured Israel to keep aid channels open during the war, which is exceptionally obvious now given significantly longer blockades and…

They are using the “smart” bombs to precisely target and collapse civilian apartment buildings and hospitals on the thinnest pretext.

How would “dumb” bombs be worse?

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Couldn't the Democrats change their positions so that they align with and accommodate popular positions and win elections. I don't think most of the (rather large block) of folks I know who abstained wanted a fully solved problem, they wanted the US to stop funding Israel and that is a position that the Democratic party could have taken if they had chosen to do so.

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Well, blaming the voter for abstention still conveniently sidesteps blame towards the Dem party for trying to platform Biden again.

And now we have you yelling at other people in your party, sewing more division, alienating even more people from your coalition. "How is that working out for you now?"

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Wonder why this made the frontpage when other political articles die. Has the rules around political non technical articles changed? Can we get an Epstein thread for the frontpage sometime this week?

No, the rules haven't changed—they've been the same for many years. Let me try to dig up some past explanations. Edit: here's one from a few months ago, which covers the principles: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43738815 . Re how we approach political topics (or political overlap) on HN in general: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so... Re how we deal with Major Ongoing Topics, i.e. to…

It would be interesting to know how articles like this compared to the average article. How are the ratios of downvotes to upvotes, flagged to non-flagged, and comments to views? Are people who comment here positively or negative correlating to creating non-flaged/downvoted comments on other articles?

To phrase it a bit differently, does this kind of articles create a positive or negative engagement for HN?

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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I for one will be holding my representatives responsible who continue to vote for the US to enable a genocide. The videos coming out of Gaza have turned me and many others into single issue voters.

Serious question, will you abstain from voting? There are only 2 parties and they both fund Israel. One maybe slightly less.
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