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Re: Google can keep its Chrome browser but will be barred from exclusive contracts

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Post by qnleigh »

harmmonica wrote: post #138
IshKebab wrote: post #116

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AI is a competitor. You know how StackOverflow is dead because AI provided an alternative? That's happening in search too. You might think "but ChatGPT isn't a search engine", and that's true. It can't handle all queries you might use a search engine for, e.g. if you want to find a particular website. But there are many many queries that it can handle. Here's just a few from my recent history: * How do I load a share…

Exactly this. Another way of putting it is that LLMs are doing all the clicking, reading, researching and many times even the "creating" for me. And I can watch it source things and when I need to question whether it's hallucinating I get a shortcut because I can see all the steps that went into finding the info it's presenting. And on top of it replacing Google Search it's now creating images, diagrams, drawings and…

> Structural load calculations for a post in a house

You're relying on ChatGPT for this? How do you check the result? That sounds kind of dangerous...

Re: Google can keep its Chrome browser but will be barred from exclusive contracts

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Post by baq »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #162
Hard_Space wrote: post #90

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> By the way, a pet peeve of mine right now is that reporters covering court cases never seem to simply paste the link to the online PDF decision/ruling for us all to read right in the story. I presume that this falls under the same consideration as direct links to science papers in articles that are covering those releases. Far as I can tell, the central tactic for lowering bounce rate and increasing 'engagement' is…

Articles about patent infringement are similarly annoying when the patent numbers aren't cited. This is basic 21st century journalism 101. We aren't limited to what fits on a broadside anymore. We need an AI driven extension that will insert the links. This would be a nice addition to Kagi as they could be trusted to not play SEO shenanigans.

If news on the web was journalism instead of attention seeking for ad revenue you’d be right.

Agree on the extension idea, except I’m not sure I want to see the original sensationalized content anyway. Might as well have the bot rewrite the piece in a dry style.

Re: Google can keep its Chrome browser but will be barred from exclusive contracts

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Post by baq »

jowea wrote: post #323
WD-42 wrote: post #298

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Who cares if the traffic is declining? I don’t find Wikipedia useful because it gets lots of visits, I find it useful for the information it contains.

The problem has more to do with editors. The theory is that less visits leads to less editors in the long run.

That’s certainly true for stack overflow, but in their case the moderators were very active in getting the negative feedback loop going.

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Post by t23423i34234234 »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #166

The opinion: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.223... From page 157: "Glue is essentially a super query log that collects a raft of data about a query and the users interaction with the response. Rem. Tr. at 2808:22809:6 (Allan). The data underlying Glue consists of information relating to (1) the query, such as its text, language, user location, and user device type; (2) ranking information, i…

Chromium's policies are tightly tied to Ad-measurement within Google (see Privacy-Sandbox). Quite important since pretty-much every non-Google browser on every-platform blocks third-party cookie tracking.

Re: Google can keep its Chrome browser but will be barred from exclusive contracts

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #220
IshKebab wrote: post #116

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AI is a competitor. You know how StackOverflow is dead because AI provided an alternative? That's happening in search too. You might think "but ChatGPT isn't a search engine", and that's true. It can't handle all queries you might use a search engine for, e.g. if you want to find a particular website. But there are many many queries that it can handle. Here's just a few from my recent history: * How do I load a share…

I don't agree that ChatGPT gives an overall better experience than Google, let alone an actual good search engine like Kagi. It's very rare that I need to ask something in plain English because I just don't know what the keywords are, so the one edge the LLM might have is moot. Meanwhile, because it bullshits a lot (not just sometimes, a lot), I can't trust anything it tells me. At least with a search engine I can fi…

Chatgpt, Grok and the likes give an overall better experience than Google because they give you the answer, not links to some pages where you might find the answer. So unless I'm explicitly searching for something, like some article, asking Grok is faster and gets you an acceptable answer.

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

balder1991 wrote: post #352
CamperBob2 wrote: post #207

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StackOverflow is dead because its rules are nonsensical and many of its users are dicks. It's going to be a real problem going forward, because if AI hadn't killed them something else would have, and now it's questionable whether that "something else" will ever emerge. The need for something like SO is never going to go away as long as new technologies, algorithms, languages and libraries continue to be created.

Besides the issue of repetitive beginner questions, which today could be answered with an LLM, was a significant driver of low-quality content, requiring substantial intervention from StackOverflow. However, your point stands: as new technologies develop, StackOverflow will be the main platform where relevant questions gain visibility through upvotes.

Obscure problems would get no visibility though — because of their obscurity.

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Post by brainwad »

stackskipton wrote: post #52
judge2020 wrote: post #43

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I mean, it’s a legitimate concern. Google is bleeding so hard right now from Gen Z and especially Gen Alpha deciding to use ChatGPT first and foremost when asking questions that Google would’ve answered previously. Whether or not that means they should keep Chrome as a product is up for debate.

Under good Monopoly law, you would remedy the situation that got them to this point, not worry about their future. Chrome + Deals got to them to this point so that's what you unwind. If it causes Google to get weakened and AI finishes them off, that's just creative destruction at work and oh well.

Chrome had nothing to do with the case, though; the prosecutors were grasping at straws. The obvious remedy is to ban Google from bidding for placement, which is what happened.

Re: Google can keep its Chrome browser but will be barred from exclusive contracts

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Post by matwood »

balder1991 wrote: post #359
crazygringo wrote: post #53

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Funny, I use LLM's for so much search now because they understand my query semantically, not just its syntax. Keyword matching fails completely for certain types of searching.

Also weirdly LLMs like ChatGPT can give good sources that usually wouldn’t be at the top of a Google query.

There’s a particular Italian government website and the only way I can find it is through ChatGPT. It’s a sub site under another site and I assume it’s the context of my question that surfaces the site when Google wouldn’t.
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