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Re: I Am An AI Hater

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Post by Ekaros »

frozenseven wrote: post #243
the_af wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you watched the video that goes with it? It's online, and very amusing. Regardless of how you feel about AI, the specific instance Miyazaki was reacting to was, indeed, an insult to life itself!

It's out of context. They used reinforcement learning to make a ragdoll move. So much drama over nothing.

I think it was and probably still is valid statement on where reinforced learning tend to end to. Something in essence exploiting the physics system.

I think there would be lot less backlash if the end was graceful, smooth and natural looking. But it was not.

Re: I Am An AI Hater

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Post by npteljes »

rsoto2 wrote: post #250
runjake wrote: post #213

You know an argument is going to be strong when it starts off by citing a Teen Vogue article and uses phrases like: "[AI] is at its core a fascist technology rooted in the ideology of supremacy" and "The people who build it are vapid shit-eating cannibals glorifying ignorance." tl;dr: This person professes to hate AI. They repeat the same arguments as others who hate AI, ignoring that it is an emerging technology wit…

The article is "I'm an AI hater" it's about hating AI and why. Whats wrong with "at its core a fascist technology" do you not understand the statement? Companies like Palantir are using shitty targeting AI to literally mass murder children. Yes this technology you used was funded and created in partnership with apartheid governments. AWS and Microsucks are happy to lend a hand. The industry has fascist leadership, ye…

>Whats wrong with "at its core a fascist technology"

The problem is that this statement is false. There is nothing particularly fascist about the core AI technologies. The tech itself is being created simultaneously by multiple large independent entities worldwide, as is no more fascist than all the other components used in the weapons and processes and infrastructure that was involved in the horrible atrocity you cited.

Re: I Am An AI Hater

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Post by anal_reactor »

tanvach wrote: post #64

I've noticed that the younger you are, the most likely you're in love with AI. So the tide will turn eventually, for better or worse. I talked to someone recently who claims with no irony that 'AI has zero downside'. I don't hate AI. I hate the people who're in love with it. The culture of people who build and worship this technology is toxic.

The world is changing and the old generation hates this because they've learned how to navigate the world according to rules that don't apply anymore. People who deny the fact that LLMs are a revolutionary technology are the same people who refuse to use computers because they're just a dumb novelty, get upset about the removal of payphones, or tell you to "just walk in and shake the boss' hand and ask for a job". This is supposed to be a website for technology enthousiasts, yet 90% of posts are either "Look! I managed to find something that AI can't do yet!" or "I don't like Trump".

I think the core issue is that until the industrial revolution the world was pretty much static. If you teleported a hunter-gatherer into a medieval village, he'd figure it out. Meanwhile trying to explain 2025 to someone stuck in 2015 is fool's errand. Human brain did not evolve for such rapid environmental changes.

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Post by thefz »

StopDisinfo910 wrote: post #20

Amusingly things are going with AI like with any complex topics nowadays. It’s easier to hold a strong position than a nuanced one. So you see a lot of vapid articles either for or against, even - or especially actually - if you don’t really know for or against what exactly, and very few insightful ones. Plague of our ages I guess. Ironically AI might even make it worse.

> It’s easier to hold a strong position than a nuanced one.

My nuanced position is that it's great in some niche scenarios - speech to text as an example, or for isolating instruments in audio - and vastly overhyped in everything else, like LLMs. It's a mediocre google searcher at best.

Re: I Am An AI Hater

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Post by perching_aix »

jacquesm wrote: post #400
perching_aix wrote: post #394

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Flight isn't necessarily utilitarian. Not animals', not machines'. A connected discourse is (certain, increasingly dwindling maybe) part of the art community's rejection of large swaths of works because they're meant for mass entertainment. And so I'm not sure robbing AI generated images of being labeled art isn't a similar kind of snobbery, at least in part, with models just being a much more morally convenient punc…

Something not being necessarily utilitarian does not mean that it isn't mainly utilitarian. There is knitting as an art form. But it was definitely mainly utilitarian at some point. And this is how it goes with many things: at first we do them because they are utilitarian, after that there may be people who start using it as a medium for art. > And so I'm not sure robbing AI generated images of being labeled art isn'…

> Something not being necessarily utilitarian does not mean that it isn't mainly utilitarian.

In terms of extents, I'd say machine flight is about as utilitarian as animal flight. Which is why you don't see it differentiated in verbiage I'd imagine. I'm generally not sure where you were going with this.

> Then show me the art. Just one single image that moves you and that was generated by AI.

There isn't a single drawing (picture) that I remember to have ever moved me, manmade or machine generated, so that's quite the tall order.

For examples on AI generated images I see, that'd be on Pixiv. They're almost always tagged up and you can filter for (and against) them. And there are of course people who exploit this for harassment, because no good deed goes unpunished.

With the proliferation of AI, I saw styles, poses, framings that I haven't before there, as well as their combinations. Were they just underrepresented among other people's drawings? I'm not so sure - some are for sure referencing actual photographs instead, and some are assisted rather than fully generated. I did enjoy these greatly, even though they were not straight from the remotest figment of someone's personal imagination, and they haven't per-se "moved" me.

Re: I Am An AI Hater

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Post by nkohari »

utyop22 wrote: post #236
nkohari wrote: post #55

I hate social media and what it's done to the internet, but I accept that it is now a part of the fabric of society. You can't unring the bell. (In fact, here I am, saying I hate social media on a social media site.) In the end, it doesn't matter what you or I think. You can hate AI, but it's not going away. The industry needs more skeptical, level-headed people to help figure out how best to leverage the technology…

Ah you have no bias do you? Afterall, you are the founder of an AI startup.

> The industry needs more skeptical, level-headed people to help figure out how best to leverage the technology in a responsible way.

I'd like to think I'm in this category. I'm definitely not an AI zealot.

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Post by Mallowram »

Shorel wrote: post #393
Mallowram wrote: post #357

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don't grasp the basic ideas of paradox questioning the nature of language beginning in presocratics and winding their way through Aristotle, Socrates, Kant Hume and many others and also appearing in Advaita Vedanta (eg Nisargadatta), then I'm afraid staring here isn't really going to help you. Philosophy has ben questioning whether language is valid from the start. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/aristotle-…

You used too many words, and your argument depends on too many people, do you understand all of them?

Arguments are all built in neural-syntax specifics. How they externalize as arbitrary points is largely irrelevant, which demonstrates how humans go extinct: confusing the two. The basic 'fact' is words and the conduit metaphor paradox are never resolvable, they are inherently contradictory, which makes words almost entirely irrelevant, and gibberish. AI can never solve this because CS never began at first principles. In essence, AI is the most advanced demonstration of language's total irrelevance.

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Post by frozenseven »

Ekaros wrote: post #401
frozenseven wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's out of context. They used reinforcement learning to make a ragdoll move. So much drama over nothing.

I think it was and probably still is valid statement on where reinforced learning tend to end to. Something in essence exploiting the physics system. I think there would be lot less backlash if the end was graceful, smooth and natural looking. But it was not.

Getting 3D models to move in a natural way through RL is largely a solved problem. And listen to what they were saying in the video. Whatever they were demoing there, they were also thinking of using for a zombie model in a video game. Ragdolls in video games wasn't a new concept at the time either.

Out of context & blown out of proportion.

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Post by Jensson »

averagefluid wrote: post #352
petralithic wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is a banana taped to a wall "art?" Your answer to that is the answer to your question.

> Your answer to that is the answer to your question. In what logical or philosophical framework does my opinion dictate your opinion? You're not making a grand philosophical point, you're frustrating the attempts of other people to understand your point of view and either blocking them from understanding your point of view or addressing your argument in a meaningful way. If you cannot or will not engage in the conve…

> In what logical or philosophical framework does my opinion dictate your opinion?

Because priors affect your conclusions.

For example, I don't like licorice, that makes me not like many kinds of candy. But I know that if a person likes licorice, they will have a very different view on these candies. Similarly how you define art affects how you see AI art, because its meaning is completely different to different people.

So for the example in question, I don't view a banana taped to a wall as art, but I know some other people do, and I understand why they do so, so answering that question tells us a lot about a persons priors.

Re: I Am An AI Hater

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Post by pmdr »

evanelias wrote: post #350
pmdr wrote: post #56

Is Ed Zitron's newsletter banned here? I haven't seen a single article of his on HN and he's been ranting about AI for years now.

His posts often make it to the front page and then get flagged. That even happened as recently as this morning. For reference: https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=wheresyoured.at

Well they're obviously bad for the economy.
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