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Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by samtheDamned »

jayd16 wrote: post #200
panzerboiler wrote: post #78

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You assume it wrong. You can click-to-drag and scroll simultaneously without issues on an Apple trackpad.

"Without issues" is a stretch. You need to use two hands or be skilled with one. Its trivial on a mouse or a pad with a discrete buttons. But ok, what about just dragging a long distance where you would normally lift the mouse or finger? Is there some hidden gesture for this? Maybe once your initial drag finger hits the edge you need to use two more to do a move gesture? But I've seen that trigger scroll and/or pinch…

This reminded me of a feature in windows where if you were dragging something and reached the end of the touchpad, the cursor would continue on the same trajectory as long as you kept your finger at the edge of the touchpad. Then you could overshoot a little so you could bring your fingers back to the middle to regain maneuverability. I haven't missed it since I switched to linux but now that I'm thinking about it that was a very nice touch (no pun intended).

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by herczegzsolt »

mintplant wrote: post #121
nrp wrote: post #4

I'm happy to answer questions around the new product.

In theory I'm the perfect audience for the Framework 16! The only thing holding me back is the lack of a 4K display. It's so good for dense text on the screen (e.g., code with lots of split buffers), I can't go back. Still waiting patiently for this to become an option.

This!

The only reason for me going with the Dell Premium 16 instead of framework, is that I need my 1920px screen width at 200% scaling.

Such a shame, the Framework is better in so many other ways.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by simpaticoder »

akho wrote: post #391
simpaticoder wrote: post #153

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>This is awesome though No, it's not awesome. Upgrading ram and disk or replacing a motherboard, screen or battery is great. Repairing a badly designed motherboard with a soldering iron is not great. In fact, it's bad. I think there's a good argument that it violates (warranty) law. If a car company sells to you based on "right to repair" and then it turns out there was a design defect in the engine, is it "awesome"…

> I notice you didn't mention it losing power when suspended. Curious. Are you using a kernel > 6.8? It got (much) better.

Interesting. I'm not normally in the habit of upgrading the kernel independently of the distribution, but it's worth trying. Thanks for the tip.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by zeagle »

majewsky wrote: post #362
999900000999 wrote: post #350

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My big issue with any expensive portable device is I might just drop it. I'm typing on this laptop right now. I brought it for 450 USD on sale. https://www.bestbuy.com/product/asus-vivobook-s-14-14-oled-l... Aside from Linux driver issues, shame on our community for downplaying this, it's an amazing computer. I swapped in a 2TB SDD, and I'll be using it for years. If I drop it or do something stupid, I'm out 450$. Ev…

For what it's worth, I accidentally flung my Framework 13 across several stairs of a lecture hall. All in all, a 3 meter drop on an arched trajectory with the lid closed. The device has not been damaged except for scratches. I wouldn't repeat this on purpose obviously, but I came away with the impression that Framework builds are not particularly brittle.

Sadly I pulled mine off a desk by the cord with my foot and dented the top right corner bending under the power button slightly breaking it so had to replace the keyboard, top and bottom case. That’s fine, happy I fixed it myself but just an anecdote to the opposite. ;)

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by akho »

simpaticoder wrote: post #403
akho wrote: post #391

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> I notice you didn't mention it losing power when suspended. Curious. Are you using a kernel > 6.8? It got (much) better.

Interesting. I'm not normally in the habit of upgrading the kernel independently of the distribution, but it's worth trying. Thanks for the tip.

On earlier kernels, `acpi_osi="!Windows 2020"` was often recommended. Though I'm note sure what it does.

`nvme.noacpi=1` should be on, too, for all kernels.

(all derived from the nixos-hardware repo; I use that)

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by rkangel »

account42 wrote: post #371
psolidgold wrote: post #337

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The keyboards have full NKRO support and are fully mappable with QMK firmware, plus they offer blank key caps AND a macro or numpad input module. That feels like plenty of leadership to me - that's unheard of in any other laptop. Can't please everyone I guess.

> Can't please everyone I guess. This is such a lame response to valid criticism. Key remapping is not a feature that you need hardware support for and neither are macros - both can be done in the OS and/or user-space software. Different prints on key caps are also not important at all since you shouldn't need them in the first place and hardly a response to someone being unhappy with the physical keyboard layout. So…

Did you miss:

> numpad input module

You can literally add a physical numpad if you want: https://frame.work/gb/en/products/16-numpad?v=FRAKDM0001

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by Rotareti »

DanOpcode wrote: post #358
kristianp wrote: post #281

You've got a 16 inch Laptop, why are the arrow keys so tiny! And where's the PgUp PgDn Home End Insert Delete cluster? I wish a design-based shop like Framework would have some leadership in the keyboard area. This is why I have been exclusively Thinkpads for my last 3 laptops. Something more niche is that I also enjoy the mouse buttons above the trackpad, I can move with the thumb and click with a finger.

My last 3 laptops have also been Thinkpads. In addition to the mouse buttons above the trackpad, I also enjoy Thinkpad's trackpoint. Too bad Framework doesn't offer any mouse buttons and trackpoint on their keyboards, otherwise I might have considered them.

Same here. I've been using Lenovo/ThinkPads for the last 12 years mainly because of the pointer. It's perfect for programming. I'm more productive and focused when I keep my hands on the home row all the time. I don't see myself ever going back to a touchpad.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by Moomoomoo309 »

DanOpcode wrote: post #358
kristianp wrote: post #281

You've got a 16 inch Laptop, why are the arrow keys so tiny! And where's the PgUp PgDn Home End Insert Delete cluster? I wish a design-based shop like Framework would have some leadership in the keyboard area. This is why I have been exclusively Thinkpads for my last 3 laptops. Something more niche is that I also enjoy the mouse buttons above the trackpad, I can move with the thumb and click with a finger.

My last 3 laptops have also been Thinkpads. In addition to the mouse buttons above the trackpad, I also enjoy Thinkpad's trackpoint. Too bad Framework doesn't offer any mouse buttons and trackpoint on their keyboards, otherwise I might have considered them.

The company actually put a video out a yesterday or the day before about adding a trackpoint - they're open to the idea, but they're all too tall! They actually tried to add it, but it always put pressure on the screen because their keyboards are too low-profile to accommodate one.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by okucu »

jcotton42 wrote: post #215
rjzzleep wrote: post #2

That is really cool. One thing I have to ask though. Does the Framework have the same problem as other bottom intake fans that collect dust inside the fan?

The fans on my 16 are really easy to get to for cleaning.

Do they sound like jet engines? Nobody ever talks about noise
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