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Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by WalterBright »

voidUpdate wrote: post #372
WalterBright wrote: post #358

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"the guy" initiated the exchange by calling Musk names on TV. Musk did not initiate it.

Vern Unsworth said that the submarine wouldn't work, Musk then called him a paedophile and tried to hire a private investigator to discredit him. Could Musk not have just accepted that yes, his idea was stupid, and not thrown false accusations with no basis at Unsworth?

Vern publicly insulted Musk on TV first, and so I have no sympathy for him when Musk insulted him back.

> Unsworth had mocked Musk’s submarine in an interview with CNN, deeming it a “PR stunt” and saying Musk should “stick his submarine where it hurts”.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/dec/05/elon-musk...

Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by try_the_bass »

voidUpdate wrote: post #372
WalterBright wrote: post #358

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"the guy" initiated the exchange by calling Musk names on TV. Musk did not initiate it.

Vern Unsworth said that the submarine wouldn't work, Musk then called him a paedophile and tried to hire a private investigator to discredit him. Could Musk not have just accepted that yes, his idea was stupid, and not thrown false accusations with no basis at Unsworth?

> Vern Unsworth said that the submarine wouldn't work

He said a lot more than that, and none of it nice. He definitely threw the first punch in this exchange

Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by WalterBright »

vjvjvjvjghv wrote: post #389
WalterBright wrote: post #282

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I have lots of ideas. Some are great, some are ordinary, and some turn out to be embarrassingly stupid. So does everyone else who tries to create new things. Edison had dumb ideas, too, like his mining ideas. The Wrights also had dumb ideas like their persistence with wing warping, and the canard stabilizer. The sub thing didn't hurt anyone, it was an emergency so he didn't have much time to think about it, so really…

This discussion started with somebody complaining that people are dismissing Neuralink because it's Musk's company. My point is that his ideas are getting way more attention than other people's ideas, stupid or not. And he is an attention whore who will go after people who are dismissing his ideas. The cave guys in Thailand had to waste precious time thinking about his submarine. If Musk had really been willing to he…

> his ideas are getting way more attention than other people's ideas, stupid or not.

His amazing track record with success means his ideas merit more attention than your ideas or mine.

> The cave guys in Thailand had to waste precious time

insulting Musk on CNN. They didn't have to do that. They could have simply said "no thank you, we'll handle it".

> But he is an attention whore because he knows it's good for business.

Yes, offering his company's considerable engineering talent and resources for free is pure evil. Sheesh.

> Instead they fired quickly

They didn't have the people to evaluate tens of thousands of individuals, nor did they have several years to do it in. The way they proceeded was the only practical way. It's the way all organizations above a certain size cut costs when hemorrhaging cash.

Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by freedomben »

kaliqt wrote: post #376
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #373

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From a capitalist point of view, Neuralink will only become profitable and valuable if they go full sci-fi and offer a brain/computer interface that anyone can use, AND that there's systems and applications that use it, AND that it becomes popular and "better" than e.g. smartphones. But that last one is the kicker. AR never became mainstream. Unless a brain interface is faster and more intuitive than e.g. a physical…

AR will become mainstream with time. It's a question of UX which has very heavy investment behind it.

Exactly. AR is still extremely early days, limited by hardware and software. I have no doubt that it has a future, there are just some impediments that have yet to be remedied (but I have no doubt that they will)

Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by freedomben »

xyst wrote: post #375
ckemere wrote: post #227

I think that the negativity here is unfortunate. The reality is that it’s very hard to see a normal VC level return on the $100M+ Elon and friends have invested here. And don’t let anyone fool you - this is the fundamental reason the BCI field has moved slowly. If Neuralink proceeds to a scenario where quadriplegic patients can get reliable (ie lifelong) control of their computers for less than $100k that will be a h…

> The reality is that it’s very hard to see a normal VC level return on the $100M+ Nobody gives a shit about the iNvEsToR rEtUrN on iNveStMeNt. This is a humanitarian project which should be owned by the people, not a select few billionaires or investors to license out and dangle yet another expense, subscription, or ad model.

Why aren't any humanitarian organizations doing it currently?

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Post by nisegami »

daveguy wrote: post #393
cal85 wrote: post #316

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Don’t we all need subscriptions to stay alive?

No.

That's an awfully dismissive reply. I agree with the parent, we already all require subscriptions to stay alive. In the most literal sense that's going to be basic utilities like water, power and arguably connectivity. And then there are those who are dependent on a continued supply of medication as well.

Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by ActorNightly »

natch wrote: post #286
ActorNightly wrote: post #205

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Yes because it makes perfect sense to vote for convicted felon, most likely a child molester, who tried to coup the government when he lost in 2025, with Project 2025 behind his back. That act alone pretty much disqualifies you from being able to talk about intelligence in the first place.

Four false turds packaged up in haughty fake outrage does not mean you have given us a golden truth. The democrats chose an unimaginably bad candidate and snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

Ah yes, the whole lawsuit where Trumps legal team argued that he in fact did submit a slate of fraudlent electors, but argued that he had the right to do so because he was immune from legal prosecution, is totally false, despite being all documented in publicly available court proceedings.

Also this https://www.project2025.observer/en

So please understand that when you claim that these things are false, it is absolutely ok for people to assume you are mentally ill. Because you chose to live in a world inside your head instead of actual reality.

Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by freedomben »

fsniper wrote: post #98
ethersteeds wrote: post #96

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Unskippable preroll ads in your dreams. A whole new meaning to "sentiment analysis".

Futurama! Just watched that episode today.

It is amazing how well Futurama has held up :-D

I recently watched an episode where there was a bit about "Don't date robots" and it had me absolutely rolling, but also hit pretty close to home in 2025

Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by MrResearcher »

thinkingtoilet wrote: post #367
ckemere wrote: post #227

I think that the negativity here is unfortunate. The reality is that it’s very hard to see a normal VC level return on the $100M+ Elon and friends have invested here. And don’t let anyone fool you - this is the fundamental reason the BCI field has moved slowly. If Neuralink proceeds to a scenario where quadriplegic patients can get reliable (ie lifelong) control of their computers for less than $100k that will be a h…

After nearly two decades of flat out lying about Tesla's capabilities and then the last year of insane lies, I literally don't believe anything that comes out of any of his companies. Perhaps you do.

It's not really a lie, it's so-called "make-belief", which entrepreneurs exude in order to justify their own time and money investment, as well as spreading it to the army of employees. This sort of delusion is necessary for the inaugural period of concept development, until you prove whether the concept is viable or not. Some people call it vision. It is an entirely fictional concept, of course. Sometimes you stumble onto something working that gets traction. Then this lie turns into reality, and the entrepreneur is raised to the rank of prophets.

In other words, he doesn't do it out of malice. These are the rules of the game.

Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by ActorNightly »

homefree wrote: post #283
ActorNightly wrote: post #211

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Thanks for proving my point by demonstrating you can't comprehend reality. You assume that anything anti conservative must be in the Bernie Sanders camp of full left. In reality, the modern democrats are pretty much the exact center. Any sensible traditional right leaning policy like free market capitalism, gun ownership, and immigration enforcement is already part of the liberal Democratic platform. The reason that…

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>If Trump had lost Iran would probably have a nuclear weapon

Random thing to be concerned about, and also very fringe evidence of "probably".

> The democrat's failure on immigration broadly (both at the border and on policy) is also something driving people away from them.

Immigration was never an issue - unemployment was at a record low especially after Covid, and crime was on its way down. Democrats had a bill that targeted immigration reform, which included provision for more funding to CBP and most importantly immigration hearings so that we can actually separate the people who are illegal versus people who are truly under refugee status and shown that they are willing to work and contribute. Trump told the Republicans to veto the bill because the immigration issue would make him look good in elections. You fell for it.

>Compare the extreme competence/political capability of someone like Elon Musk

You mean the guy that funded a candidate, that within 4 months told him to fuck off while passing the BBB that removed a major source of funding for his company? You mean the guy that bet Sam Harris 1mil after saying US wouldn't see more than 35k cases of Covid, only to reneg on the bet and block Sam?

Good one chief.

>The left has pushed identity based culture issues around DEI and gender ideology that have had serious negative effects up to and including surgical operations on children due to gender affirming care

A) Don't lump democrtats with the left. B) Surgical operations on children for gender affirmg care is a non issue, the number of these is incredibly small (and no, the argument Democrats would have increase this doesn't fly). As for DEI, you have to prove with numbers that this was harming American companies and institutions, in terms of economic impact or other factors.

>Also when it comes to guns, I live in California - the democrats are hardly the gun friendly party.

State politics =/= government politics. States have their right to enforce additional laws. Thats in the Constitution.

And again, above all, even if Im completely wrong on all of this, you still have a convicted felon who tried to coup the government, whos name was on the Epstein list with evidence of him being at parties, with Project 2025 thats halfway complete, who does dictator shit every single week. It would take an extraordinary amount of evidence to prove that Kamala was the worst choice.

Part of me really hopes that republicans win in 2026 and 2028, because as bad as things are now, they can get much much worse. Because people like you need to really suffer in daily lives to ever understand that Republican policies can lead to lives where you are concerned about being able to feed your kids instead of having the privilege to worry about tiny issues like DEI.

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