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4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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The people in charge are largely hated by the electorate. They won by default effectively due to a quirk of how UK elections work (which was less of a problem when the monarch/aristocracy was still involved to counter balance things like this, but now that that's gone the state is effectively out of control.) Unless by "democracy" you mean "sleepwalking administration everyone hates" the current UK government is unus…

The paradox of politics : are hated whilst actually doing what the majority wants. As we saw in the case of the Winter fuel Payments : if a policy is unpopular with voters, it is abandoned. The Online Safety Act is popular, so it will stay.

Being unpopular is not the opposite of popular.

The winter fuel payments were very unpopular with a very vocal part of the population, while any benefits were very thinly distributed on the rest of the electorate.

The cost of the online safety act is very small and almost invisible distributed across everyone. Any major effects (leaking of personal data) can be blamed on the victims (most people assume that only perverts will have to verify their age). Another effect where security conscious people will be excluded from online discussions is probably in invisible (if not a benefit) to most people.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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I understand the people might wanna block porn on their kids mobile internet and home WiFi. So why don't they mandate their ISP to implement this as an optional feature ? Why do they instead try to boil the ocean by going after every website on the planet and outside of their jurisdiction?

My solution was to set my router to use the DNS server at 1.1.1.3 which blocks adult sites. https://blog.cloudflare.com/introducing-1-1-1-1-for-families...

Can they not set their device DNS to 1.1.1.1

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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I really dislike what 4chan is, but I'm also a huge proponent of freedom online. I am glad that 4chan is telling the UK to go pound sand, I just hope they have the foresight to realize that they should not travel there or into countries that might extradite them. It's too bad that the country where 1984 originated is currently doing it's best to put the ideas in that book (the bad ones) to use in subjugating their citizens.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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While I disapprove of what the gov is doing here, I think it’s incorrect and unhelpful to put all the blame on them. AIUI, the UK is a democracy and these policies are generally supported by the voters.

Democracy is a form of government, not an ideology. Just because +50% of an electorate thinks something is OK, doesn't make it so.

It's not 50% of the electorate, in the UK it is the plurality (second best plus 1 vote) of 50% of the electoral seats plus 1 seat. That gives absolute power.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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This is the only power they have left. The UK government has lost control of what happen in the physical world on their own island so now the bureaucrats play a fantasy game where they are gonna enforce their rules and dominion in their former colonies or the digital world.

Same thing has been happening for a long time in America. Politicians are typically risk adverse and the real world has complicated problems so they make up a 'virtual' problem to 'fix', or to turn into a new political football. Politics has become its own end: politicians have job security, and nothing changes except for the worse because constituents keep falling for the same tired shit.

That's so true with the current Republican controlled Congress bending a knee every time to the Mango in charge. Other than the occasional furrowed brow or momentary pause.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Same thing has been happening for a long time in America. Politicians are typically risk adverse and the real world has complicated problems so they make up a 'virtual' problem to 'fix', or to turn into a new political football. Politics has become its own end: politicians have job security, and nothing changes except for the worse because constituents keep falling for the same tired shit.

This is demagogy 101: invent or exagerate a problem, and offer yourself as the only true solution. It's a recipe as old as bread, nothing particularly US centric.

It's peaking again in the USA though and it's immigrants. They have replaced the "Commie" (when it last peaked in the 50s) as an imagined threat that lies around every corner that seems to appeal to a certain large minority in the USA that needs something to blame for everything other than their own inaction and choice to not adapt.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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I wonder what they're going to do when the states mandating age verification for pornographic content start coming for them. Very similar to these dystopian foreign laws. But because they're US states 4chan will not be able to use the "we only recognize US law" defense.

The latest Steam and visa/Mastercard debacle has the project2025 head behind it. They want to make pork illegal in the US as well.

Pork? Why?

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Sadly this trend is echoed in the US as well since 2023 many have been arrested for their freedom of speech https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3rnzp4ye5zo

I don't think that's the same thing: > The DHS statement says that Ms Kordia had overstayed her student visa, which had been terminated in 2022 "for lack of attendance". It did not say whether she had been attending Columbia or another institution. I think it's entirely different arresting people who overstay their visas or people on student visas that disrupt academic life. The UK regularly arrests citizens for offe…

I'm far more worried that America will stop me at the border and mistreat me for something I wrote online than I am about the UK. Heck, I'm more worried about visiting the US than China at the moment. The America effort to suppress free speech is very real.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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No, it just blocks DNS requests from a list of porn hostnames.

Many browsers/apps now will ignore the system/DHCP-provided DNS server and use their own though (often via TLS so you can't block it easily)... so while this might work for some situations, I can't in good conscious call it a great solution.

Wow I did not know that.

I agree. It's not a very robust solution, but it's better than nothing at all .

And it's annoying sometimes. One thing I found is that it somehow forces Google safe-search, which appears to block some non-pornographic search results.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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My solution was to set my router to use the DNS server at 1.1.1.3 which blocks adult sites. https://blog.cloudflare.com/introducing-1-1-1-1-for-families...

Can they not set their device DNS to 1.1.1.1

They're not that technically inclined ... Yet.
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