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Re: US reportedly forcing TSMC to buy 49% stake in Intel to secure tariff relief

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Post by supplied_demand »

chasd00 wrote: post #367
hx8 wrote: post #246

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I just googled "How do tariffs work?" I got hit with several college level vocabulary words describing tariffs in both the AI summary and my first result. It might be less of a problem, if we had adequately funded schools.

> It might be less of a problem, if we had adequately funded schools. Just want to point out that giving more money to an underperforming school only makes it worse.

==giving more money to an underperforming school only makes it worse.==

Is there no circumstance where more funding would help an underperforming school? It certainly “can” make it worse in instances, but there are many reasons that a school might be underperforming. To imply that more resources would fail to help any of those problems is quite a leap.

What if the student-teacher ration is 40-1 and more funds allows for another teacher, might that make the school better?

What if the school is only open for 4 days due to low funding, might an additional day of school make it perform better?

What if a school has multiple disabled students slowing down the curriculum, but no funds to give them personal support, might more funds help it perform better?

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Post by lossolo »

dylan604 wrote: post #385
dvt wrote: post #364

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I never said or meant to imply by not specifically saying something that the opposing view was unavailable back then. That's just willfully trying to twist the narrative to a purpose I don't know why it is necessary. But since we're here, we can compare/contrast. RFE/RL could broadcast whatever it wanted. If you received it and heard the contrary views from what official stance was, you can pretty much just accept it…

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Post by CSMastermind »

eru wrote: post #396
cherryteastain wrote: post #32

Tariffs kinda make sense when you have a deficit in a widely available item. Big trade deficit with Bangladesh? Sure you can buy cheap textiles from Thailand or Vietnam or something. Unfortunately this approach does not work when you lack a viable domestic alternative and you're up against a monopoly. What will the US do if TSMC does not blink? Not buy TSMC made chips? Obviously that is impossible, so the logical con…

> Tariffs kinda make sense when you have a deficit in a widely available item. Big trade deficit with Bangladesh? Sure you can buy cheap textiles from Thailand or Vietnam or something. Sorry, how do they 'make sense'? What's the problem with a trade deficit with Bangladesh? And in your example, you'd just shift bilateral trade balances around, without impact the overall trade balance of the US? I could perhaps believ…

Because of the Triffin dilemma: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triffin_dilemma

Trade deficits in isolation aren't good or bad but because the US has the world reserve currency it must supply it's currency to the world.

This basically forces it to have a trade deficit with everyone which over time can hollow out manufacturing sectors. Making the whole economy vulnerable to shocks and ultimately causing it to fail.

It's similar to "Dutch disease," where external demand overvalues the currency and harms tradable sectors.

It's not sustainable without careful policy management, and attempts to weaken the currency via tariffs, devaluation, or some other mechanism.

You might not like Trump or his approach but he is directionally correct and does have a powerful bargaining chip (access to the US market - which is basically on track to be the only 1st world consumer driven economy 5 years from now).

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Post by galangalalgol »

SCUSKU wrote: post #333
dylan604 wrote: post #293

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> most information hostile environments in human history Is it though? East Germany comes to mind as well as the rest of the Cold War countries behind the Iron Curtain. China seems to be pretty hostile as well. In the US, it is still much easier to find real information that counters the propaganda than it is in any of those other countries. There's no Great Firewall to bypass. You don't even need to do anything anon…

What you're describing is an Orwellian dystopia, where a boot forces you to think a certain way. We live in a Huxleyan dystopia where there is so much so much to distract you that you become submissive.

The demographic collapse will likely lead to artificial wombs and llm powered vulcan style teaching pits crossed with diamond age primers. Huxley was more prescient than I thought when teading brave new world. I think the nation that has its primers teach the vat-made labor force rhetoric, logic and critical thinking will have lower gdp, but higher stability.

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Post by UltraSane »

modzu wrote: post #360
dylan604 wrote: post #293

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> most information hostile environments in human history Is it though? East Germany comes to mind as well as the rest of the Cold War countries behind the Iron Curtain. China seems to be pretty hostile as well. In the US, it is still much easier to find real information that counters the propaganda than it is in any of those other countries. There's no Great Firewall to bypass. You don't even need to do anything anon…

"Great Firewall"... thats propaganda my friend. American Internet is not open either, its just censored differently

The Chinese Internet is censored far more than the US internet in degree and kind.

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Post by djfobbz »

dylan604 wrote: post #341
wat10000 wrote: post #327

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It’s not “a different point of view” to think that tariffs get paid by the other country. It’s not “a different point of view” to loathe Obamacare and like the ACA. It’s just ignorance. When the information is easily available, it’s willful ignorance. When they won’t obtain the information and they still hold strong opinions and vote accordingly, it’s at best stupidity.

How is it not a different point of view to think that healthcare should be tied to one's employment as opposed to all people should have access to affordable healthcare? We can discuss if Obamacare achieved what it wanted to do as I believe it was not very successful, but it at its core is a different view point. Yes, people believing other countries pay the tariffs are clearly not understanding of how tariffs work.…

I disagree with your blanket assumption that consumers always pay for tariffs. In my experience working for a major garment importer, we kept retail prices the same even after tariffs were added. Why? Because competition from local brands forced us to absorb the cost ourselves. Sure, that's not how every industry works, but saying consumers always pay is an oversimplification. It really depends on the industry, pricing power, and competitive pressure.

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Post by bangaladore »

piperswe wrote: post #400
bangaladore wrote: post #272

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I just bought my first AMD chip in years (a 9950X3D), the last one I had was from the early FX series. After how poorly those FX chips performed, I swore off AMD for a long time. Ryzen definitely caught my interest when it first came out, but Intel still had the edge in performance and stability back then, so I stuck with them. That started to change with the 7800X3D, and now with the 97/9950X3D lineup, AMD is clearl…

Probably longer, Ryzen 3000 came out 6 years ago. That was the beginning of AMD's CPU dominance IME. I built my first AMD system ever in 2019 - I had been Intel-only since my first computer (a PIII)

You are probably right w.r.t when they started becoming competitive. The reason why I mention the x3D chips is because Intel has literally still has no comparable product for them. If your application / game / whatever benefits from the extra cache, AMD blows intel out of the water.

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Post by acchow »

cherryteastain wrote: post #32

Tariffs kinda make sense when you have a deficit in a widely available item. Big trade deficit with Bangladesh? Sure you can buy cheap textiles from Thailand or Vietnam or something. Unfortunately this approach does not work when you lack a viable domestic alternative and you're up against a monopoly. What will the US do if TSMC does not blink? Not buy TSMC made chips? Obviously that is impossible, so the logical con…

The objective is to force TSMC to accelerate their US production plans.

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Post by amy_petrik »

galangalalgol wrote: post #404
SCUSKU wrote: post #333

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What you're describing is an Orwellian dystopia, where a boot forces you to think a certain way. We live in a Huxleyan dystopia where there is so much so much to distract you that you become submissive.

The demographic collapse will likely lead to artificial wombs and llm powered vulcan style teaching pits crossed with diamond age primers. Huxley was more prescient than I thought when teading brave new world. I think the nation that has its primers teach the vat-made labor force rhetoric, logic and critical thinking will have lower gdp, but higher stability.

I disagree, this is neither an Orwellian nor an Huxelian dystopia, but a Gibsonian AI megacorp dystopia
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