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Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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I have always found it odd that whenever pornography comes up the degree to which people defend it in all forms. It is uncomfortably telling but also completely misses why this is happening. Itch.io is heavily saturated with anime porn games along with steam to the point I find both difficult to navigate even with nsfw filters turned on. Turning those filters off and it is pretty egregious the volume of it all let al…

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Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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The Puritanical origins of the US reverberate to this day. While coming for "freedom of religion" sounds like a noble origin story, the context was that they wanted the freedom to practice a much stricter, restrictive form of religion than that allowed by the Church of England.

Collective Shout, which organized this, claims to be an Australian feminist organization. (Admittedly, this may be an act.)

The irony is that many if not most of the porn ARTISTS I have know or known of are women, in a subculture that skews male *heavily*.

And video games are just art.

So, women, drawing and writing stuff they like, being banned and losing an income stream.

I don’t think drawing or writing porn is exploitative at all.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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I don't really disagree with you, but to play devil's advocate - when you see something that you think is harmful to society, what determines whether or not it's moral and appropriate to advocate for and work towards its abolition in what you see as the best interest of everyone? Is "Don't like X? Don't buy it" as far as we should go with... AI-produced child porn? Rolling coal and other egregious pollution? Online g…

>whether or not it's moral and appropriate to advocate for and work towards its abolition in what you see as the best interest of everyone? That lines creates justification for anything and even everyone to be banned, sadly. >Is "Don't like X? Don't buy it" as far as we should go with... AI-produced child porn? My line is "is there a victim harmed with the action". Shooting a gun? Yes, someone is often harmed and kil…

That's your line, but others have other lines; violence in games was a big thing twenty years ago, and some pearl clutchers tried to have all violent video games banned.

Thing is though, if violent video games caused people to become violent, Columbine wouldn't have been a rare incident.

But it's a difficult one. People play video games but for most people it doesn't change their moral compass; it doesn't make them think ripping out people's spines is normal or acceptable. It desensitizes them to a point I suppose.

Does porn, porn games or simulated CSAM make people normalize objectification and violence towards people and children? I can't answer that, and I don't know if there's been any studies towards especially CSAM since it's such a taboo. N=1, but 20+ years of porn on occasion hasn't turned me into some rampant sex addict.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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I'm not so sure you can point the finger at the USA for this. I ran an online porn website for almost 20 years. For 15 years it was my primary source of income. I'm in Canada which, compared to the USA is extremely progressive. In 2022, after a decade of doing business with a certain bank as this business, never having hidden anything about what we did, my wife and I received an urgent, signature required, overnighte…

> we fell outside of their "risk appetite." If you take that statement at face value (not sure if you should), it's fascinating to think that your business was able to operate for two decades with what I assume are the standard problems people in the porn industry face (e.g. chargebacks from customers unwilling to admit they subscribed in their SO's presence and so pretending it was a scam, etc.) And yet seemingly no…

The risk they're talking about is risk of government interest in them, which is never cheap when you run a business.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Collective Shout, which organized this, claims to be an Australian feminist organization. (Admittedly, this may be an act.)

"Protecting women" is an incoherent excuse for pressuring websites to pull romantic games that feature consensual, loving, respectful homosexual male-male relationships, with no women even present in the game. The real motivations seemingly have nothing to do with protecting women, which appears to simply be a palatable facade for the true intention to suppress all depictions of sexuality, including the depictions th…

Ironically, isn’t most MfM smut written by and for women?

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

#406

There are a lot of people mentioning crypto as a possible solution to this, and a lot of people responding that crypto is a ponzi scheme, and they're not interested. But congress recently passed stablecoin legislation that could possibly fix this problem. Recipients would have a straightforward way of receiving money, and they wouldn't need to gamble on the price of bitcoin. Most people would probably still use a thi…

All stablecoins (at least popular ones) has the same underlying problem -- it's regulated and controlling entity can freeze any funds because it wants so

Yeah, but so can PayPal and Visa and Mastercard. The issue here is that payments is essentially a duopoly. Itch doesn't have any alternatives because they're locked into traditional payment rails. Stablecoins at least let someone else decide "Hey, you know what, I'm going to create a coin that can be used as payment for porn games." And executing on that is fairly straightforward.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

#407

What is wrong with these people who try to block certain content? Don't like porn? Don't buy it. Simple as that. No one, including governments or payment processors, should be in the position to decide whether a platform can sell something or not. I wish there was a payment processor who was brave enough to say a big fucking NO to censorship.

> ”I wish there was a payment processor who was brave enough to say a big fucking NO to censorship.“ Perhaps we could develop some form of secure digital currency that is not reliant on central authorities such as banks, payment processors, or governments?

That was a great theory, but in practice it became an asset/investment; nobody pays with BTC because its value is too volatile.

One would expect stablecoins to be more popular but I haven't seen them as valid payment options anywhere except crypto exchanges. That's just me though.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

#408

What is wrong with these people who try to block certain content? Don't like porn? Don't buy it. Simple as that. No one, including governments or payment processors, should be in the position to decide whether a platform can sell something or not. I wish there was a payment processor who was brave enough to say a big fucking NO to censorship.

Next is a Superman videogame being blocked because it goes against the 'policies/interests' of a country that manages to lobby a lot here.

You seem to be sarcastic but there's plenty of countries that have stringent laws on what games are and aren't allowed.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Puritanical origins of the US reverberate to this day. While coming for "freedom of religion" sounds like a noble origin story, the context was that they wanted the freedom to practice a much stricter, restrictive form of religion than that allowed by the Church of England.

are you saying the puritans were the taliban equivalent of christianity. & want to bring back laws that sex would only be used to 'recreate' not recreation.

Well not equivalent, they taught their women to read after all.

But let's be real here, they were a bunch of jerks. There's a reason it took no time flat for Rhode Island to exist.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

#410
What I would like to know is why is it any business of VESA or any other payment processor, what I am buying with my own money. vESA has no business knowing what game I’m specifically buying. They just have to give money to Steam in my behalf and that’s it.
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