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Open letter accuses BBC board member of having a conflict of interest on Gaza

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Re: Open letter accuses BBC board member of having a conflict of interest on Gaza

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There was a study about negative bias towards Israel at the BBC. It contradicts your explanation. Do you have a single example of a protest you try to summon here? I very much doubt it.

> Do you have a single example of a protest you try to summon here? I very much doubt it Here's one example. The UN Special Rapporteur for the Occupied Palestinian Territories, faced calls to have her visit to the LSE cancelled by various groups, including Campaign Against Antisemitism and Union of Jewish Students. She was also called unfit for office by the US ambassador to the UN. On another occasion, an organizati…

You mean Albanese? Well, special rapporteur indeed. Objectively she isn't procecuted as she holds a high official position. I believe her to be unfit as well, but that isn't dangerous criticism and she isn't procecuted or in any form of danger.

What the lawyers did is certainly tasteless, but it also doesn't fit procecution.

I won't give you any sources, but these are utter trivialities to what some Jewish people have to endure. And I have yet to see a mob threatening anyone you mentioned, because they don't exist.

Re: Open letter accuses BBC board member of having a conflict of interest on Gaza

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War is complex.

One party starts with the "moral advantage" — but as soon as conflict escalates, sides look more alike than different. This is war after all. Media is entrenched, disregarding their own side's actions. We've seen it in Ukraine-Russia. And now in Israel-Palestine.

F*ck war.

Re: Open letter accuses BBC board member of having a conflict of interest on Gaza

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I'm not sure who owen jones is or why this is relevant. Are you saying the letter is fake?

The original URL was https://www.owenjones.news/p/bbc-staff-were-forced-to-do-pro...

Re: Open letter accuses BBC board member of having a conflict of interest on Gaza

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Totally wrong. Are you a Russian bot or simply ill-informed, unserious human talking out of your posterior? Russia doesn't give out passports to men until they've fulfilled military requirements. Please inform yourself. https://youtube.com/channel/UC9HHZMXng9reLBQmNc1Y8iA

You're conflating two things. There is indeed conscription in Russia, Scandinavia, and many countries in the world where people are expected to do some period of time of military training within a country. These people are generally not used in active conflicts, though it does entail enrollment in the equivalent of Selective Service in the US meaning they can be called up later (2 years in Russia) for "real" service…

You forgot to mention the widespread coercion of Russian conscripts into "voluntarily" enlisting for the war in Ukraine. Stories like this are extremely common:

  Semyon* (name changed) was conscripted in Chelyabinsk, in the Urals, having served in the Pskov region of northwestern Russia for the first five months, where he was asked to sign a contract several times but refused. On 20 April, he was transferred to the Chebarkul garrison and signed up for professional service after just two and a half hours.

  His mother says that on the way to the unit he complained of being actively pressured into signing a contract, after which Semyon was taken to a separate office, where a sergeant fired a gun next to him and showed him a video of dead and wounded people, threatening that the same thing would happen to him if he didn’t sign. Semyon broke under the pressure, his family says. On the same day, he applied to have the contract annulled, saying he had signed under duress, asking for it to be declared invalid as the commander had not yet signed it, but to no avail.
https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2025/05/14/unwilling-signat...

Not to mention authorities raiding places like gyms to get the conscripts in the first place:

  Russian police are targeting migrants and draft-age men in a wave of raids on gyms and martial arts clubs across major cities, with activists describing them as part of a broader crackdown that intensified ahead of the country’s spring military draft. Lawyers in multiple regions told Sever Realii that gym raids now happen at least twice a month in major cities. Russian citizens are typically sent to enlistment offices, while foreign nationals are taken to temporary detention centers. Many are ultimately deported.

  In one raid, a military officer reportedly accompanied police to hand out conscription notices directly. Activists say authorities are also targeting naturalized citizens who have obtained Russian passports but avoided military service, pressuring them to sign military contracts under threat of deportation or loss of citizenship.
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/05/01/russian-police-rai...

Re: Open letter accuses BBC board member of having a conflict of interest on Gaza

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Totally wrong. Are you a Russian bot or simply ill-informed, unserious human talking out of your posterior? Russia doesn't give out passports to men until they've fulfilled military requirements. Please inform yourself. https://youtube.com/channel/UC9HHZMXng9reLBQmNc1Y8iA

You're conflating two things. There is indeed conscription in Russia, Scandinavia, and many countries in the world where people are expected to do some period of time of military training within a country. These people are generally not used in active conflicts, though it does entail enrollment in the equivalent of Selective Service in the US meaning they can be called up later (2 years in Russia) for "real" service…

There's a difference that Ukraine had not much choice after being invaded but a larger enemy, aside from maybe surrendering and letting Putin take over. Russia's invasion however was almost entirely their choice and could be stopped tomorrow if Putin just told them to stop.

Re: Open letter accuses BBC board member of having a conflict of interest on Gaza

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I saw this in a comment here recently and thought it was informative about this topic: https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2008-dec-19-oe-stein...

The thread topic is News media, not Hollywood. Global news media is dominated by Rupert Murdoch (not Jewish) and while the second tier lesser Murdochs are mostly rich billionaires not many are Jewish. eg: Arthur Sulzberger Jr. (recent chair of The New York Times company) is neither Jewish by birth—according to traditional Jewish law—nor by choice. (He was raised Episcopalian, his mother’s faith.)

News media isn't separate from Hollywood. Disney owns ABC. Paramount Global owns CBS. CNN is owned by Warner Bros Discovery. NBC Universal owns NBC, MSNBC, and Telemundo; they also own Universal Pictures. All the major US news networks are owned by companies that also own Hollywood studios, except for Fox, which sold its studio to Disney recently.

Murdoch (owner of Fox, Sky, NY Post, and WSJ, among others) gets a lot of (negative) attention as a dissenting voice, but I'd hardly say he dominates news media.

And couldn't you find a better second example than someone who is only technically not Jewish, because his father is Jewish, not his mother? His father, grandfather, and great-grandfather (all Jewish) previously ran the NY Times.

Re: Open letter accuses BBC board member of having a conflict of interest on Gaza

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If any form of coercion and prevarication is labeled terrorism we then lack a word to describe the act of plowing through a crowd with a truck or planting a bomb in an everyday place with the intention of instilling terror in the population. Those acts are different from military occupation or apartheid or genocide. It's not a judgement of value. It's a description of a method. My point is that the word "terrorism" t…

Make no mistake, occupiers can and frequently will use terror tactics. They don't plow through a crowd with a truck or plant a bomb in an everyday place because they don't need to do that to instill terror, those are tactics of the weak. No, they disappear the people around you, with the same aim, and from a position of power. Which is the greater terror? A truck that detonated downtown or knowing a relative that got…

Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to diminish the suffering of people who have to live through this degrading and stressful experience. I just think the word terrorism used to describe the action of (usually militarily weaker) insurgent actors trying to destabilize a society is not the same as using the word terrorism used to describe the intentional oppression by a state (using military and police) towards a minority.

We have "repression","oppression", "persecution", "subjugation".

Why do we need to use the word "terrorism" there? I suspect it has to do with the fact the word "terrorism" has been abused by american right wing after 9/11 to just describe "any muslim" and "any evil" and there has been appetite ever since to have some retribution and use this term back to label the west (and israel as its proxy).

Again, I'm not trying to defend the actions of israel against the palestinian population of the west bank in particular, but I find that "repression","oppression", "persecution", "subjugation" are already strong words enough and we don't need to strip the word "terrorism" from its specific meaning.

Re: Open letter accuses BBC board member of having a conflict of interest on Gaza

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You're conflating two things. There is indeed conscription in Russia, Scandinavia, and many countries in the world where people are expected to do some period of time of military training within a country. These people are generally not used in active conflicts, though it does entail enrollment in the equivalent of Selective Service in the US meaning they can be called up later (2 years in Russia) for "real" service…

There's a difference that Ukraine had not much choice after being invaded but a larger enemy, aside from maybe surrendering and letting Putin take over. Russia's invasion however was almost entirely their choice and could be stopped tomorrow if Putin just told them to stop.

That's a bit of a false dichotomy as the early terms were relatively modest but, in general terms, I would agree with the point you're making. However the issue you run into is that the exact same arguments were made in favor of slavery. For instance even Aristotle some 2400 years ago predicted the end of slavery, if slaves only were not necessary:

"For if every instrument could accomplish its own work, obeying or anticipating the will of others, like the statues of Daedalus, or the tripods of Hephaestus, which, says the poet, 'Of their own accord entered the assembly of the Gods.' If, in like manner, the shuttle would weave and the plectrum touch the lyre without a hand to guide them, chief workmen would not want servants, nor masters slaves." [1]

Of course society could have gotten by without slavery, but it wouldn't have been as convenient, particularly for the wealthy and political classes who were the exact sort that could afford to own slaves. And the exact same is true of conscription. If people are not willing to die for the political class of a country, who are the political class to insist they die for them? And the greatest irony is that the most 'brave' of the political class are often made up of cowards and draft dodgers themselves. But it's an entirely different game when it's not their life on the line anymore.

People, who live in a time when humans in warfare are obsoleted, will look back upon this as even more vile and barbaric than slavery. And they'll damn us all for it. Yet it's an issue that "we", the people without power, mostly do not even really think about one way or the other - because it's just how it is. We might speak out against it, those in affected regions might even start their own 'Underground Railroads' to escape tyranny, but everybody knows it won't end.

[1] - https://classics.mit.edu/Aristotle/politics.mb.txt

Re: Open letter accuses BBC board member of having a conflict of interest on Gaza

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I'm not sure who owen jones is or why this is relevant. Are you saying the letter is fake?

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