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Check out ESP32-based projects like ESP32-CSI-Tool or the FreqSense library, which can implement WiFi sensing with minimal hardware and completely under your control.
>Check out ESP32-based projects like ESP32-CSI-Tool or the FreqSense library Interesting, mind sharing links to these?
Xfinity using WiFi signals in your house to detect motion
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Re: Xfinity using WiFi signals in your house to detect motion
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> It pains me every time a “well behaved” website pops up a cookie consent banner for the billionth time after I already consented because the browser wiped all the persistent user identifiers available to it. Do yourself a favor and enable the Cookie lists in uBlock Origin. I'm personally grateful that a law requires my consent before tracking me. That means I should not be tracked without me saying OK without monet…
> Do yourself a favor and enable the Cookie lists in uBlock Origin. Could you elaborate on this please? I'm sifting through the options and not sure what I'm looking for (disclaimer: I have never once opened the uBlock Origin settings menu in all the years I've used it).
Re: Xfinity using WiFi signals in your house to detect motion
#403> Subject to applicable law, Comcast may disclose information generated by your WiFi Motion to third parties without further notice to you in connection with any law enforcement investigation or proceeding, any dispute to which Comcast is a party, or pursuant to a court order or subpoena. Sounds like, at least in some limited circumstances (using the provided WiFi AP, having this feature turned on, etc), ISPs are goi…
The solution here shouldn't be technical; it should be legal. If we rely on the technical path, Comcast can achieve the same by how many active IPv6 addresses are in use. Even if you aren't using your phone, the device is going to be constantly pinging services like email, and your ISP can use that to piece together how many people are at home. If we rely on legal protection, then not only Comcast, but all ISPs will…
Problem is, most folks aren't aware of how much spying the ISP routers do, and they want the most easy and convenient choice. Hence the status quo.
Re: Xfinity using WiFi signals in your house to detect motion
#404Sensing is (sadly) part of Wi-Fi 7. If you have a recent Intel, AMD or Qualcomm device from the past few years, it's likely physically capable of detecting human presence and/or activity (e.g. breathing rate). It can also be done with $20 ESP32 devices + OSS firmware and _possibly_ with compromised radio basebands.
Was anyone asking for their network to be able to sense their breathing rate? What does this enable that actually improves people’s lives? This is the kind of stuff that pushes me to pull a Ron Swanson and throw my technology in the dumpster.
TSA can check your heart rate / breathing rate elevating during your walk through security.
Casinos can see your heart spike before placing a bet. If the system is digital maybe that can be synced to always deal a loss hand.
Re: Xfinity using WiFi signals in your house to detect motion
#405Earlier quoted context omitted.
Check out ESP32-based projects like ESP32-CSI-Tool or the FreqSense library, which can implement WiFi sensing with minimal hardware and completely under your control.
>Check out ESP32-based projects like ESP32-CSI-Tool or the FreqSense library Interesting, mind sharing links to these?
Re: Xfinity using WiFi signals in your house to detect motion
#406Earlier quoted context omitted.
The solution here shouldn't be technical; it should be legal. If we rely on the technical path, Comcast can achieve the same by how many active IPv6 addresses are in use. Even if you aren't using your phone, the device is going to be constantly pinging services like email, and your ISP can use that to piece together how many people are at home. If we rely on legal protection, then not only Comcast, but all ISPs will…
In the EU, residential users have a right to use their own routers. IMHO, this should be the norm, and ISPs shouldn't be shipping routers to users. Problem is, most folks aren't aware of how much spying the ISP routers do, and they want the most easy and convenient choice. Hence the status quo.
Unfortunately, only the nerdiest nerds do things like buy their own routers...and that sort of thing is pretty much impossible to evangelize.
Re: Xfinity using WiFi signals in your house to detect motion
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Presence detection without the possibility of images being captured seems a reasonable application to me. So much the better if I could do it with hardware I already have versus installing motion detectors or other sensors.
RF human detection sensors ((that can even tell you the heart rate of someone in the room (if its below 120 I think)), cost almost nothing. Or at least they did before tariffs . They can also be programmed to detect people on the floor, so if you have elderly in your house you can know if someone fell, without cameras. They are made for hospitals but are cheap, but not 100% accurate for HR and falls, but reliable eno…
Wifi is something most people already have available, and requires no new wiring or battery management. That's the selling point.
Re: Xfinity using WiFi signals in your house to detect motion
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>Check out ESP32-based projects like ESP32-CSI-Tool or the FreqSense library Interesting, mind sharing links to these?
I just don't get these comments, it literally takes longer to type out a reply versus just highlighting the text and right click to search. Truly baffling.
I found a GitHub repo for "ESP32-CSI-Tool" that seems related to Wi-Fi Sensing, but zero references to "FreqSense" in the Wi-Fi/RF context.
The only FreqSense I found is an obscure academic paper on speech recognition that doesn't involve any form of hardware.
Re: Xfinity using WiFi signals in your house to detect motion
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> they only have some level of control over DOCSIS modem they typically issue a modem / router combination unit, and they can control the router and its radios.
Yes, but you can replace that with your own unit they don't have control over.
I used to work in this space, and have first-hand knowledge about the prevalence of third party modems with a sample set of over 100k people. What’s your experience?
Re: Xfinity using WiFi signals in your house to detect motion
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Your described option is not the broader reality. Most people use the hardware that is provided with the service by default. Last time I checked, there's not even an additional rental fee.
Maybe not everywhere, sure, only in America. https://www.xfinity.com/support/articles/list-of-approved-ca... I can't believe I'm defending Comcast on the internet but here I am, I guess between them and you I'm siding with the entity currently being less of an ass to me?
Mimicking my speech pattern then trying to say I’m being the ass is not going to hold up, however.
Elsewhere I posted that I used to work in this space and have first-hand knowledge that the majority of people do not use third party modems. That is a fact.
Just because people can go out and purchase a new modem and then additional wifi gear, doesn’t mean that they do or even should to shield themselves from the potential privacy violations happening here.