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U.S. bombs Iranian nuclear sites

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Post by econ »

sodality2 wrote: post #34
tptacek wrote: post #23

I think Netanyahu belongs in prison, and Trump, the less said the better, but: couldn't have happened to a nicer unauthorized weapons-grade uranium enrichment facility dug into the side of a mountain hours outside of population centers. If you haven't already, I highly recommend reading up on the GBU-57 "bunker buster" bomb, because it is some Merrie Melodies Acme brand munitions. It's deliberately as heavy as they c…

Let’s hope whatever intel that says Iran really does have nukes is true, given its propensity as a scapegoat for previous wars. Don’t forget that less than 2 months ago, senior intelligence officials said conclusively Iran was not close to having nuclear weapons. Edit: 3 months, and source: https://www.newsweek.com/tulsi-gabbard-iran-nuclear-weapon-2...

Bibi has repeatedly informed us the bomb would be ready in the next few months for 23 years or so.

Saddam also had WMDs, we just don't know where.

Etc

Re: U.S. bombs Iranian nuclear sites

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Post by pigbearpig »

coliveira wrote: post #316
ggm wrote: post #5

I wonder if the bunker buster was used. It has a somewhat indirect lineage to the ww2 grand slam designed by Barnes Wallis. Iran has massive earthquake risks. For reasons unassociated with nuclear bunkers they do a lot of research into (fibre, and other) strengthened cement construction. With obvious applications to their nuclear industry of course. Another unrelated point, a significant number of Iranian civil engin…

Bunker buster is not necessarily a solution for this. It was created for normal bunkers, WW2 style of construction. What they have in Iran are construction sites very deep in the mountains. I wouldn't be surprised if this type of bombs can't do more than superficial damage to the sites.

Right...the GBU-57 having been placed into service in 2011 was surely created to destroy 65-year old bunker designs.

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Post by ActorNightly »

TheAlchemist wrote: post #396

And now what ? If the current regime stays in power, it's pretty much a guarantee that they will pursue nuclear weapons by all means available, in the future. If the US / Israel want to topple the regime... that worked really well in Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afganistan.... Also, isn't it really illegal for a US president to authorize a strike like this without Congress ?

Why are people surprised when Trump does things illegally?

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Post by biglyburrito »

sodality2 wrote: post #34
tptacek wrote: post #23

I think Netanyahu belongs in prison, and Trump, the less said the better, but: couldn't have happened to a nicer unauthorized weapons-grade uranium enrichment facility dug into the side of a mountain hours outside of population centers. If you haven't already, I highly recommend reading up on the GBU-57 "bunker buster" bomb, because it is some Merrie Melodies Acme brand munitions. It's deliberately as heavy as they c…

Let’s hope whatever intel that says Iran really does have nukes is true, given its propensity as a scapegoat for previous wars. Don’t forget that less than 2 months ago, senior intelligence officials said conclusively Iran was not close to having nuclear weapons. Edit: 3 months, and source: https://www.newsweek.com/tulsi-gabbard-iran-nuclear-weapon-2...

You would have thought folks would have learned from the Iraq War that the US lies. I'm no fan of Khomeini's sabre-rattling, but if people are really buying into the narrative that we did this because they had nukes, idk what to tell you besides go read your history.

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Post by mrkeen »

econ wrote: post #392

We have all this technology but you can't get a decent overview of any conflict. There is liveuamap which seems to have data and certainly is better than any other website I know of but the ui is a horrific mess. I think it is important for the people of the world to get an idea how things are unfolding. It should be an animation of the exchanges both verbally and physically. Have a complete set of news sources for e…

It's not in governments' interests to allow their citizens information without taking the opportunity to spin it first.

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Post by 0xbadcafebee »

Could be a good way to boost the economy amidst a trade war while simultaneously doubling-down on protectionism. On the one hand we usually profit from wars, on the other hand we lose trading partners when we do our usual human rights violations shtick.

I predict this is a ploy to try to get us into a war, so Trump can have his third term, rejecting calls to step down "because we're at war". It's a little early, but our kids are already used to being in 20-year-long pointless wars in the Middle East.

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Post by hwillis »

ggm wrote: post #5

I wonder if the bunker buster was used. It has a somewhat indirect lineage to the ww2 grand slam designed by Barnes Wallis. Iran has massive earthquake risks. For reasons unassociated with nuclear bunkers they do a lot of research into (fibre, and other) strengthened cement construction. With obvious applications to their nuclear industry of course. Another unrelated point, a significant number of Iranian civil engin…

> Another unrelated point, a significant number of Iranian civil engineering graduates are women. A somewhat dichotomous economy, when you consider the theocratic restrictions on costume and behaviour.

Iran does not have the same degree of sexist restrictions as eg Saudi Arabia. It's a very different climate from places where salafism is more common. Female education in particular is highly supported eg: https://x.com/khamenei_ir/status/1869369086142296490

Re: U.S. bombs Iranian nuclear sites

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Post by yibg »

markus_zhang wrote: post #69

OK what was done was done. What should we expect the political fallout in Iran?

Optimistically given how much Trump loves attention and declaring victories:

- Trump declares mission accomplished. Looks tough to his base, appeases Israel and calls it a day

- Ditto for Israel. Declares Iran's nuclear ambitions over and re-affirms the friendship between the US and Israel

- Iran lobs a few more missiles at Israel in retaliation to provide legitimacy at home and moves on

Everyone declares victory and gets an off ramp.

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