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Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by philjohn »

mlissner wrote: post #87

Maine's remote work program is an incredibly promising development to prevent recidivism. The amazing thing about it is that it gives real jobs to prisoners that they can seamlessly continue after they get out of prison. Normally when you get out, it's impossible to get a job, and the clock is ticking. This leads to desperation, which leads to bad behavior. There is a real risk of exploitation, but if it's properly m…

Yep - turns out the Nordic countries had it right all along. When you focus on rehabilitation and not just punishment you get lower redicivism rates. Who would have thought it?

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by nkrisc »

cortesoft wrote: post #342
badc0ffee wrote: post #325

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"Non-violent drug crimes" brings to mind hippies selling weed or mushrooms. But this guy was selling carfentanil. I'm not saying he's to blame for the opioid crisis turning street people into shambling zombies, clogging emergency services with overdoses, and causing death, but he certainly played a part.

He played a lot smaller part than the Sackler family, who ran Purdue Pharma and pushed their drugs into communities. They killed a lot more people than this guy, and yet none of them are in jail.

Yes, they should be in jail for longer than he is.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by lazyasciiart »

mp05 wrote: post #380
BlarfMcFlarf wrote: post #316

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No. Prisons should cost society money. If you are taking away someone’s freedoms, there should be a high cost so you don’t do it flippantly when another solution will work.

Wow. No, they forfeited their freedoms and we're put away by due process, but if that's your point of view then we've nothing further to discuss. Incredible stuff on HN these days.

Incredible for sure. To start with, it sounds like you think due process means that any kind or amount of punishment must be correct and reasonable, which. wow.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by gabeio »

philjohn wrote: post #401
mlissner wrote: post #87

Maine's remote work program is an incredibly promising development to prevent recidivism. The amazing thing about it is that it gives real jobs to prisoners that they can seamlessly continue after they get out of prison. Normally when you get out, it's impossible to get a job, and the clock is ticking. This leads to desperation, which leads to bad behavior. There is a real risk of exploitation, but if it's properly m…

Yep - turns out the Nordic countries had it right all along. When you focus on rehabilitation and not just punishment you get lower redicivism rates. Who would have thought it?

> When you focus on rehabilitation and not just punishment

From a book I recently read on the subject they seem not just to focus on rehab and lack of punishment. If there are disputes with others within the facilities the ones in the dispute must sit down and talk through their issues and find a resolution. This helps ingrain proper anger management & helps re-acclimate them to normal society where violence is rarely the best option. And it makes a ton of sense, if they never are taught how to talk out their issues they will go back to how they have handled those issues all along.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by kgwxd »

borski wrote: post #345
hildolfr wrote: post #290

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Google feeds staff members and provides rest areas , why are they paid?

The government takes a cut then too, both from the employer and employer, in the form of taxes.

Which should be paying for the prisons and the operations society approves of to reform inmates. Prisons should not be a businesses of any kind.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by Muromec »

zaphar wrote: post #256
TulliusCicero wrote: post #251

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Wow, 15-30 years seems like an insane amount of time for drug possession. Even if the amount implied dealing, that still seems really high. Don't people typically get less than that for sexual assault or armed robbery?

I don't know. If you are in posession of enough of a controlled substance to kill 300 people I'm kind of okay with a drastic response. For every Preston Thorpe who turns their life around there 100s of others who will just go out and keep endangering lives like this. I think this is a nuanced topic and 10-30 years is too much for drug possession is entirely lacking the necessary nuance to evaluate. Comparison to othe…

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Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by philjohn »

gabeio wrote: post #404
philjohn wrote: post #401

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Yep - turns out the Nordic countries had it right all along. When you focus on rehabilitation and not just punishment you get lower redicivism rates. Who would have thought it?

> When you focus on rehabilitation and not just punishment From a book I recently read on the subject they seem not just to focus on rehab and lack of punishment. If there are disputes with others within the facilities the ones in the dispute must sit down and talk through their issues and find a resolution. This helps ingrain proper anger management & helps re-acclimate them to normal society where violence is rarel…

To be honest, that could certainly be filed under "rehabilitation". Giving people the skills they need to be productive members of society is definitely in that wheelhouse.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by tonyhart7 »

abxyz wrote: post #83
tonyhart7 wrote: post #65

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"People proven guilty are not necessarily guilty. People proven not guilty are not necessarily innocent. The legal standard exists because a system needs standards." so you saying that court is useless because its not perfet???? its easy to complaint about something but give NOTHING to improve it You would not do better than people in charge because EASY to say something is wrong but you dont have ANSWER that improve…

I'm saying that the judgement of a court is useless when making a personal judgement because what a court sets out to do is different to what a human sets out to do. The court system is a collection of complicated and convoluted standards and rules and regulations designed specifically to support a system responsible for depriving people of their rights. A court judgement is not "better" than a human judgement, quite…

this is dunning kruger effect

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by ipaddr »

tux3 wrote: post #352
cortesoft wrote: post #342

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He played a lot smaller part than the Sackler family, who ran Purdue Pharma and pushed their drugs into communities. They killed a lot more people than this guy, and yet none of them are in jail.

The Sacklers are comfortably above the law and that's a bad thing, but that doesn't make small time carfentanyl operations any less bad Evil is a threshold, it's not a competition with limited spots Sometimes big crime families or notorious serial killers get away with it, but it doesn't lower the threshold for anyone else It doesn't make it any better that someone else is doing even worse. You don't get to do a litt…

Evil is a religious concept.

Selling drugs isn't evil. Not selling drug doesn't make you good. People take drugs for various reasons. If a doctor sells them they are good but if someone else sells them they are evil?

The person buying could have been fired and can't afford Doctors prescription so the person selling could be an angel.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by ipaddr »

rafaelmn wrote: post #399
dfxm12 wrote: post #381

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Focus on the bad thing, not piling on the guy who is serving his sentence (while also making a new life for himself).

I wouldn't say he's piling on him, just replying to the guy aboowho made it sound like this guy is in jail for smoking weed.

A few years ago they would have been in jail. Pick the wrong state you still could end up in jail.

Punishing is always a recipe for they punishment going back to society

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