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How Ukraine’s killer drones are beating Russian jamming

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Re: How Ukraine’s killer drones are beating Russian jamming

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Post by Theodores »

wiseowise wrote: post #95
Theodores wrote: post #81

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> imagine Trying to use imaginary situations when there’s a clear and real one going on - check. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_violence_in_the_Russian... > Dozens of confirmed rape cases, that don’t even include all the violence between 2014 and 2022 >> Well, akshually , tovarisch, rapes haven’t even started yet Check. > SMO It’s war, “drug”, even führer junior called it already. Calling war SMO - check. > Wha…

I didn't know that I was on Reddit, I thought I was with a more educated crowd than that.

Your name calling - 'Petrov', 'tovarisch' - demonstrates that you are not making your case with logic and reason. You have a made up mind, driven by emotion, so there is no room for intellectual discussion here.

From the Russian perspective the SMO is the SMO. War has not been declared, it is an SMO. If my dog attacks my neighbour's dog then you could call it war, equally, tariffs on imports could be called war. However, in 'war', it has to be declared as such. Since it has not been declared, the option of calling the SMO the SMO is appropriate.

There is no 'whataboutism' in my comment, I am not denying any historical war crimes, just stating that a defending army is not going to be killing those they are defending, and this also applies with military adventures outside national boundaries, citing the Falklands example.

Whether or not you are Russophobic, you must acknowledge that Russians identify with the Russian speaking, Russian Orthodox Church going people in the east of the former Ukraine. Whether you like it or not, Russians see these people as their own and are therefore not there to kill the men, rape the women and sell their children into slavery.

As for the Bandera supporting, blue and yellow fanatical nationalists of Galicia in the West of what remains of the Ukraine, it is no secret that Russians don't imagine having any fraternal ties with them.

Re: How Ukraine’s killer drones are beating Russian jamming

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Post by randomtoast »

mrandish wrote: post #265
randomtoast wrote: post #86

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How could they be navigated from such a long distance? Satellite communication? Wouldn't the lag be too high?

To reduce latency, I wonder if the phones were connecting to a covert site in Russia which had a high-bandwidth, lower-latency wired link, maybe a front company established in Russia for the operation with servers and broadband internet connections. Or maybe just a colocated server at a major backbone site in Russia was rented by a Russian front company. Seems like the kind of thing intelligence services do. While I'…

Okay, and GPS is restricted near military installations, but mobile internet remains accessible?

Re: How Ukraine’s killer drones are beating Russian jamming

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Post by mikhailfranco »

burnt-resistor wrote: post #378
Ciantic wrote: post #19

The latest attack deep inside Russian borders were apparently using ArduPilot [1], it is mentioned in the Atlantic article [2]. ArduPilot also has C++ source code in Github [3], also adding an article specifically about ArduPilot and Ukraine [4] [1]: https://ardupilot.org/ [2]: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2025/06/uk... [3]: https://github.com/ArduPilot/ardupilot [4]: https://www.404media.co/ukra…

Apparently, there were hundred+ drone pilots available who were spread across several timezones should the AI not be able to find their way visually. If you see some of the streaming video snippets, it says GPS fix unavailable likely due to jamming of GNSS systems and disabling of civilian GLONASS near bases. As such, Russian domestic cell carriers were reportedly used to stream video and for manual terminal guidance…

One report said the drone attack was sequential, not swarming. So perhaps only one remote operator per truck, with about 2-3 minutes between each drone launch, depending on how far the previous one had to go to reach its target.

Re: How Ukraine’s killer drones are beating Russian jamming

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Post by hkpack »

klooney wrote: post #390
heavyset_go wrote: post #380

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IMO the supply chain for drones requires the stability and resource extraction on the scale of a state. SoCs, radios, optics, batteries etc all require high tech manufacturing. Guerilla use of drones need off the shelf microcontrollers from somewhere, they aren't fabbing them in their backyard.

> supply chain for drones requires the stability and resource extraction on the scale of a state It's all about China. They have the ability to cut off drone production for the rest of the world.

Not really. All parts are produced in other countries as well, although with slightly higher prices.

Re: How Ukraine’s killer drones are beating Russian jamming

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Post by koonsolo »

dboreham wrote: post #142
koonsolo wrote: post #106

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Other countries have hangars or bunkers to store their planes. That Russia doesn't, is really beyond comprehension.

Supposedly they had to be outside to comply with START provisions. But US keeps B-52s (and pretty much all fighters) outside. They might be under tin roofs in desert locations to keep cool. Not in bunkers.

Well, Belgium stores their airplanes in hangars. It's great to protect them against the weather. You know what we don't do? Put tires on the wings.

You know what else is great about hangars? It's a super cheap defense against drone attacks that you saw from Ukraine.

Sure, you can give some examples of planes stored outside, and I can give examples of planes stored in bunkers (there are plenty of pictures from Russian airplane bunkers).

I have the feeling your comment is made in bad faith (=Russian propaganda). If not, please explain why Russians put tires on the wings.

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Post by sach1 »

pvg wrote: post #357
sach1 wrote: post #350

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Fair enough, is there a way to report these? I looked but tbh I am on mobile and I have a hard time with this media in this medium.

You can flag the comment and/or email hn@ycombinator.com

Thank you!

Re: How Ukraine’s killer drones are beating Russian jamming

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Post by hoseja »

glitchc wrote: post #136
Oarch wrote: post #2

Beyond jamming, I imagine some kind of autonomous laser system could also be pretty effective at downing large numbers of drones within a given radius.

Lasers aren't effective. Most of the drone is just an empty frame. The control board is pretty tiny, as is the ordnance. Targeting those or the propulsion systems is quite difficult. Sure, you can punch holes in the chassis but it takes a lot of guesswork to hit something vital. It's the wrong weapon. Something with an area of effect, like a shotgun or a net is much better suited to stopping drones.

This is what a guy can do in his garage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBVlL0FNbSE

It punches through titanium sheet in seconds.

Re: How Ukraine’s killer drones are beating Russian jamming

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Post by vasco »

_1tem wrote: post #400
vasco wrote: post #331

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If we could agree on that we'd agree on simply simulating war, no need to actually send drones. But it's unlikely to happen for the same reason hero fights instead of army fights didn't happen like in the movies. Ultimately war is about a difference of opinion strong enough to not care about loss of life, so after a country would lose the simulation they'd just go onto the real war part anyway.

Actually simulated war does happen. Most of the Western world agreed to fight economic and culture wars since WW2 instead of actual killing.

That's not a simulated war. Trade war is just the first step of real war. People still die from a trade war, it's just from indirect causes.

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Post by jononor »

im3w1l wrote: post #308
tim333 wrote: post #287

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For civvies the protection is the same as stopping someone shooting you with a rifle - have the cops jail the perpetrator.

Shooting people with a rifle is not scalable and there is a high risk of getting caught. Imagine if school shooters could kill thousands instead of dozens, and at zero risk.

The school shooter type seems to want to be present locally, to go out with a bang, and to do it somewhere they are connected to. They are not aiming for maximal scalability nor chance to get away.

Of course, other threat actors might, like a Unabomber type or groups designed to destabilize society (perhaps foreign sponsored) by doing repeated actions etc.

Re: How Ukraine’s killer drones are beating Russian jamming

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Post by mensetmanusman »

krunck wrote: post #269
stego-tech wrote: post #226

Drone warfare has always been equal parts distressing (it’s impersonal, it’s too easy to leverage, and therefore too easy to abuse) and incredible (ultra-thin fiber as a kite line? Brilliant!) to me. These advances are no different. That said, I do fret we’re staring down a new age of guerrilla warfare. Drones are cheap, widely available, and increasingly autonomous. Their countermeasures are either impractical for c…

What is also distressing is that drones make false flag attacks even easier. Add to that the fact of AI generated media/propaganda means no war will be factually comprehensible to anybody.

I think the idea of a false flag will also be completely destroyed by ai video tech. Once everyone knows everything is fake, how will they know that the false flag was real?
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