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The Rise of the Japanese Toilet

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Re: The Rise of the Japanese Toilet

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Some of the features I really like about my Japanese toilet: * Heated seat * Bidet with warm water * “Omakase” power-saving setting that learns your schedule and turns off the heat during the times you are typically out or asleep. * Flush with a button press vs. turning a handle. This sounds minor, but whenever I have to use a toilet with a handle it is noticeably less convenient as you often have to keep the handle…

I have a strong dislike for typical toilet flush buttons as they are less sanitary and harder to clean. I feel if it's already electric then everything that can be touch free should be and everything else should be crevice free. A handle flush or chain flush also allows more control. I grew up doing slow flushes with minimal pressure at night for pee. It saved water and didn't disturb people.

Most of the buttons on my toilet's control panel [1] are crevice-free. The front buttons are completely crevice-free. The flush buttons on the top do have crevices between them, but in practice they are raised, and the surface is large enough that fingers only come in contact with the flat part of the surface when they are pressed. After 5+ years of only wiping the surface when cleaning, there is zero gunk build up in the crevices. I do think it would be better if there were no crevices at all - but I'm not sure what design tradeoffs that would entail (for example, the front buttons seem less durable than the top).

Handles, on the other hand, also often have crevices and areas that are hard to reach for cleaning (on the underside of the handle or the area between the handle and the toilet). They also require more pressure, a larger contact area, and a longer contact duration, leading to more transfer of germs between the hand and the handle.

I agree that it makes sense for bathrooms to be as touchless as possible. My toilet will flush automatically when you stand up. Higher-end models will also raise and lower the lid automtically when you enter or leave the room.

It might be nice to have touch-free controls like you see on airplanes and some public restooms. But on the other hand there might be some design tradeoffs in terms of usability or battery life. And in a private residence, I don't think a flush button contributes significantly more to the spread of sickness than, say, door handles throughout the house.

In terms of water usage, Japanese toilets tend to be very efficient. The eco flush on my toilet uses 3.4L. The EPA's "WaterSense" certification, by comparison, applies to toilets that use 4.8L. So without more data, I'm a bit skeptical of the claim that it is possible to achieve better efficiency (and a complete flush) by using less pressure on the handle. To the contrary, I think it's probably more efficient to have the water enter the bowl with a higher velocity, as it would allow the water to get over the trap and flush with a lower total volume of water.

[1] https://toto.imagewave.pictures/GGA_14012506S154__web011.png...

Re: The Rise of the Japanese Toilet

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I feel it’s weird defining them by the main religion of the country it is (maybe) mostly used. No one says the numbers used in English are Muslim, they are generally referred to as Arabic. I wouldn’t say printing is a “catholic thing”, but it definitely came from a super catholic part of the world.

> After defecating, the anus must be washed with water using the left hand, or an odd number of smooth stones or pebbles called jamrah or hijaarah (Sahih Al-Bukhari 161, Book 4, Hadith 27). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_toilet_etiquette

The Talmudic requirements say to wash your hands after going to the bathroom.

Is it a Jew thing because of that?

Re: The Rise of the Japanese Toilet

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While I don't completely disagree with the argument, I do think it is worth pointing out that your hands touch other people. People often live with sweaty armpits, which is obviously a lesser version of the problem, but I think still worth considering: we put up with things that go in covered, mostly hidden places.

Maybe I'm a bit extra in this, but I do have a mental bit for how clean my hands are. If I've just washed them, they're "clean" (clean enough to put in my mouth). If I've touched anything, or any person's hands, they aren't.

I do that too but at some point I’ve just got to exist

Re: The Rise of the Japanese Toilet

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Maybe I'm a bit extra in this, but I do have a mental bit for how clean my hands are. If I've just washed them, they're "clean" (clean enough to put in my mouth). If I've touched anything, or any person's hands, they aren't.

I do that too but at some point I’ve just got to exist

Yeah but it's not much work to just not put my hands in my mouth all the time :P

Re: The Rise of the Japanese Toilet

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Having used all three, the neatest system IMO is to everyday carry a spray bottle of 70% isopropanol. Beyond just convenient hand sanitizer, this lets your wet the paper so you can finish with 2-3 wet wipes (typ. 2x dry + 2x wet). If the paper's thin, double it over a couple more times if needed. It breaks down like TP (because it is TP), so this won't create a 100+ ton 'fatberg' in the sewer like commercial wet wipe…

Im not sure thatd be healthy.

Why would you think that?

IPA is an extremely common ingredient in commercial wet wipes, so presumably you're not implying it's somehow unhealthy.

Re: The Rise of the Japanese Toilet

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In almost all of SE Asia, especially Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia, all of the toilets come with a hand-held sprayer. They also had this in the Doha airport and I'm not sure how common this style is outside of SE Asia but I'm guessing it's common. Japanese style bidets are very common in Korean households as well and I'm sure its easily a billion dollar business. It is nice but the functionality is quite difficult for…

Could you do like Italians do with bidet?

Aim the sprayer down into the toilet, let the water go on your dominant hand (hold the washer without the dominant), so no water gets out, use the hand with soap to put soap/water on your anus, wash kinda like you would do when washing the body except you repeatedly rinse the hand in the water and bring more water to the anus.

Done

I used a Japanese style bidet and managed to ruin a painting, because the spray crossed through a door slightly open and into the wall on the other side, with a painting on it. A funny event actually

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