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xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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Post by Gud »

prettyblocks wrote: post #293
Hoasi wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly, but what users want is not part of this equation.

As a Telegram user, I don't mind having an interface to Grok that is outside of X.

I agree with you.

But this is why we must champion open protocols and open source software.

I absolutely believe both LLMs and social media platforms should be federated and controlled by the user.

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Post by fennecfoxy »

taurath wrote: post #222
loopdoend wrote: post #161

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Where are they going?

Too early to tell - usually they'll settle on something with a balance of those main values. If matrix is truly the new IRC then perhaps that, though it doesn't seem mature enough yet and it seems like it might be costly if one needs to host non-text content. Furries contain both highly technical people and also very low-tech artists so any platform that requires a lot of maintenance can be a non-starter. Signal seem…

As a furry: lmao no Matrix. Matrix does not get the job done at all. Profiles stored on the server you decided to join? Lots of silly design decisions.

Also the whole "furries make the internets go" is not really that true. There are certainly many of us in tech fields but going to meets/cons the average furry is not working in technology. The whole "suspiciously wealthy furry" thing just arose from the divide between tech worker and retail worker within the community. Gotta remember that most furries are like 16-25. Many tend to drop out or leave the community over 30-40 or so.

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Post by npteljes »

leptons wrote: post #188
hintymad wrote: post #148

So that means Telegram users will use XAI for free, which means it will cost xAI potentially multiple times of $300M a year to serve the Telegram users?

"if it's free, then you are the product" applies here.

This is a tired, and untrue cliché. Everyone is the product, all the time.

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Post by therealpygon »

dotcoma wrote: post #274
serial_dev wrote: post #271

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I’m sorry, I don’t think this is on Musk or xAI. IMO it is on Telegram. Only Telegram has the obligation to know what their users want and look out for their own users. It’s not unreasonable for Grok to want to have more users.

Maybe not. But how much are they going to make by spending these 300 million USD ?

Who knows how much they’ll make off the data they obtain from users and chat history data, but in this day and age, no one gets paid to integrate AI, they pay for it which means there is clearly some other goal. And I can tell you there is a reason he didn’t make this offer to Signal instead, where they wouldn’t have access to any chat history, and that it would mean xAI (at this point which looks more like a data harvesting company) becoming a “partner” would normally allow data to be handed over. In this case, however, that isn’t necessary since lTelegram’s privacy policy is basically, “we can use your data for whatever we want”, including selling it for 300 million and claiming it is the payment to integrate AI.

Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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Post by therealpygon »

Suppafly wrote: post #171

If this is something their users actually wanted, they'd be paying xAI, not the other way around.

Exactly. Which do people think users will be more accepting of: “we sold all your data and chats for 300 million” or “we got paid 300 million to integrate AI”.

This is a data sale, pure and simple. xAI certainly isn’t making their money off their LLM/inference. OpenRouter shows Grok at about a billion tokens a day while the top 20 account for 2.5 trillion per day.

I’ve suspected Elon expanded his failing strategy to include data brokering when he saw the opportunity to get access to everyone’s data via Doge. Hence the reason Elon is ready to step away now that Doge (many of which are xAI employees) has finished gaining access to the data from every government system. Quietly offering access to corporate and political clients to query the data of every single person via Grok seems like an easy way to generate some revenue when no one wants your AI.

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