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Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by ionwake »

ahmedfromtunis wrote: post #88
nrjames wrote: post #70

This is technically impressive and I commend the team that brought it to life. It makes me sad, though. I wish we were pushing AI more to automate non-creative work and not burying the creatives among us in a pile of AI generated content.

The amount of gatekeeping I see when this topic is brought is outstanding! Why can't people be happy that more individuals would be soon able to create freely in a more accessible way? Personally I can't wait to see the new creative doors ai will open for us!

if I wasnt around to witness it over the last 10 years I would have thought most commenters on HN were bots pretending to be offended and gatekeeping for obscure profit motives.

So the bad news is people are just insecure, jealous, pedantic, easy to offend, highly autistic - and these are the smart ones.

The good news, is with dead internet theory they will all be replaced with bots that will atleast be more compelling make some sort of sense.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by oblio »

teitoklien wrote: post #183
oblio wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's step one, and you are right. Step two is... sure, every pleb can now create art. That devalues art. More than that, that makes for a "winner takes all" marketplace. So even fewer people than now benefit from it. More than that, guess who wins out: middlemen, the marketplace owners. Read the Black Swan by Nassim Taleb, especially the chapters about Extremistan and Mediocristan. Basically every time we invent so…

Tell that to the kings in medieval times who were the only ones who could afford music from finest crafts men and silk shirts This allowed people in those crafts to be very rich. Then came the evil leeches of middle men who brought cheap fine clothes for the masses and music in the hands of every broke college kid in his dorm room. So evil ! Get the sarcasm ? Calling ability for masses to do more things is somehow ho…

The problem, as usual, is one of scale. Quantity has a quality all its own, and all that.

We maybe needed to go from 1 artist in 1 million people to 1 artist in 10 000 people. We do *not* need to go from 1 artist in 10 people.

And regarding "cheap fine clothes", that was sort of fine.

But what about when cars drive themselves (16.2 million persons - 10.3% of the U.S. labor force works in transportation)?

AND

What about when software mostly writes itself (4,4 million persons)?

AND

What about when stuff mostly manufactures itself (13 million persons)?

AND

... ?

(repeat ad-nauseam for every field upended right now by AI)

If you think MAGA was bad (MAGA being mostly caused by manufacturing jobs being moved away/automated) what do you think will happen when 40% of the population is unemployed and unemployable, forever?

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by sigmaisaletter »

satvikpendem wrote: post #286
sigmaisaletter wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ask a person on the street who their favorite painting movements are and likely every name will be more than 100 years old I think you overestimate the publics art appreciation. The average answer will be a blank stare.

Well if you want to really be pedantic, they said every name, not average answer, so if most people reply with a blank state, that is still not in the set of every name, because they're not names. So the ones who actually do reply with a name are, as I agree with them, likely to be older than 100 years.

Have my upvote for pedantic overkill.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by kypro »

baxtr wrote: post #353

A whale coming out of the street in Manhattan, a women with a Jellyfish belly walking in the woods. Why is it that all these AI concept videos are completely crazy?

If the concept is unrealistic your mind will be more forgiving to unrealisms. But if it's suppose to be photo-realistic, you'll be hyper-critical.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by matsemann »

Imnimo wrote: post #116

>Imagen 4 is available today in the Gemini app, Whisk, Vertex AI and across Slides, Vids, Docs and more in Workspace. I'm always hesitant with rollouts like this. If I go to one of these, there's no indication which Imagen version I'm getting results from. If I get an output that's underwhelming, how do I know whether it's the new model or if the rollout hasn't reached me yet?

Yes, Google is so, so, so bad at this. I even struggle with gemini often telling me it can't make images, until I tell it that it can, and then it does. I have no idea what's really supposed to be supported or not in gemini.

It is so confusing. Ok, I got gemini pro through workspace or something, but not everything is there? Sure, I can try aistudio, flow, veo, gemini etc to figure out what I can do where, but so bad UX. Just tried using gemini to create an image, definitely not the newest imagegen as the text was just marbled up. But I can't see which version I'm on, genious.

Edit: After clicking through lots of google products I'm still not able to find a single place I can actually try the new imagegen, despite the article claiming it's available today in X,Y,Z

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by DrScientist »

thomashop wrote: post #398
dom96 wrote: post #394

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Won't the human engagement be replaced by AI engagement too? if it isn't already being replaced?

The AI is not paying for watching videos yet

Indeed, it's the advertisers who are paying for AI to watch videos....

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by computerthings »

rcarr wrote: post #238
julianpye wrote: post #126

An indie film with poor production values, even bad acting can grip you, make you laugh and make you cry. The consistency of quality is key - even if it is poor. The directing is the red thread throughout the scenes. Anything with different quality levels interrupts your flow and breaks your experience. The problem with AI video content at this stage is that the clips are very good 'in themselves', just as LLM result…

You might want to look up NeuralViz on YouTube. 180k subscribers. They've been building out an entire cinematic universe using AI video tools. And it's by far the funniest show I've watched in years. So the claim that "let you engage beyond an individual clip will not be possible for a long time" isn't true. People are already doing it. https://www.youtube.com/@NeuralViz

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Post by oliwary »

This demo video of Veo 3 on reddit, featuring a variety of characters talking in different scenarios and accents, is one of the most incredible AI demos I have ever seen: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1krmsns/wtf_ai_vid...

Created by Ari Kuschnir

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by sim7c00 »

akho wrote: post #391
Duralias wrote: post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And those videos were either not watched by anyone human or not truly watched by being part of an endless feed of similar slop.

how do you truly watch an ai-generated cat video

use your eyes. write a detailed and elaborate review on your blog of the cat and his antics. seems easy enough?

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by sim7c00 »

informal007 wrote: post #387
_ncuy wrote: post #311

Google hit the jackpot with their acquisition of YouTube and it's now paying dividend. YouTube is the largest single source of data and traffic on the Internet, and it's still growing fast. I think this data will prove incredibly important to robotics as well. It's a shame they sold Boston Dynamics in one of their dumbest ever moves because of bad PR.

Why videos are important for robotics?

object detection i'd guess.
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