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Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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I'm not sure even Tesla unambiguously qualifies here. Looking at the NHTSA part 583 list for 2025 [0], none of the Tesla vehicles have a "US" content higher than 75% (which I think includes Canada?). The highest is the base Kia EV6 at 80%. This seems to be coming from the Kogod manufacturing index. That's a more qualitative ranking that attempts to deal with things like corporate structures rather than just origin li…

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In other news, Washington State targeted Tesla with a tax on EV credits.

https://mynorthwest.com/mynorthwest-politics/tesla-tax/40815...

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/wa-legisl...

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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...and now we get stupid overly complex and fragile connectors on things like laptops instead of simple and robust barrel plugs.

I think you mean: 700 different permutations of barrel plug diameter, sex and voltage?

There has been maybe two dozen different barrel plugs widely used over the last two decades, and "12V" and "20V" were already a de-facto standard for laptops with 2S and 3S batteries respectively (there was some artificial segmentation like 18.5V, 19V, 19.5V, 20V, etc. but they are all within tolerance range). I have not seen a male laptop; they are always female, being the "receiver" of the power.

Search for "laptop" here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coaxial_power_connector#Listin...

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Perhaps it‘s the “no true Scotsman” fallacy, but I find it hard to consider anyone enamored with Trump to be legitimately libertarian. The guy basically regards himself as a dictator and his edicts are mega-authoritarian. To me it is logically impossible to reconcile the two positions. You simply can’t be a pro-authoritarian libertarian. You can’t really espouse libertarian values while being what is coded as “cultur…

In the US, "libertarian" has come to mean "maximum liberty for me, which means you are on your own". The rich, like the poor, are free to live under bridges and starve.

The free wolf, free to enter the henhouse of free hens

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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I am kind of surprised that the collection of people at the tops of all the big companies commanding so many billions, don't have some sort of behind the scenes levers they can pull to make him squeal like a pig, elected office or no. I can only assume they're all actually largely ok with it. I would not have imagined that they just never thought about things like that in general and now have actually no idea what to…

>now have actually no idea what to do now that this kind of situation has happened They know what they would do, if this were under any other president: make phone calls, write editorials in major newspapers, start donating to future political rivals. But this is Trump. He's surrounded by equally corrupt lackeys, and immediately fires anyone showing a shred of morality. The entire federal government does his bidding.…

He's chaotic and unpredictable by normal standards, but that seems irrelevant to me.

I don't mean the damage isn't consequential. What I mean is he has very obvious and simple motivations and reactions. For the purposes of somehow dealing with him, it's not all that important that "he might do anything". It seems obvious that anyone who wants to deal with him should take that as given and move right past worrying about what he might do and assume that he will, for sure, do anything. But he will do so for completely basic reasons and in response to completely basic stimuli.

A bullfighter completely antagonizes the bull into a frothing unthinking frenzy, on purpose, and owns the bull.

The bull is actually totally predictable and manipulable, and not because the bull can be reasoned with.

Musk and some few on the right are the only ones not being complete idiots about handling him. They are getting everything they want from operating him.

The left probably can't play that same trick since they probably can't figure out ways to tell him he's great and get leftie things out of him. Or forget left & right just business where they're all assholes, everyone can't play the same suck-up game. Musk is apparently doing suck-up without looking like a weak begger suck-up. Or he's allowing himself to look like just enough of a beta to keep Trump from feeling threatened, yet, like how his maga hat isn't red. Flouting the uniform, yet, not. It's probably a fine line there. And there is only room for a few magic pretend-beta slots. Trump will simply not give good behavior to very many people no matter what they say, so if all 100 people in his circle were all the perfect suck-up, still only a couple will get what they want and the rest get pissed on.

So anyone that didn't happen to win that lottery (or just weren't as good as Musk at that game) will have to go the other way which is poking him with a stick.

But they aren't. In the left vs right arena the left just continues to try to use rational arguments and appeals to reason on people who don't give a shit about that. Just who are the dummies when it comes down to that?

Though I wasn't originally intending to talk left or right but just about chaos impacting business and these supposed hard nosed rutheless powerful captains of the world just letting it happen. They only care about one thing, and he's burning that one thing by the billions, and they are...what? Nothing?

So when I say "I can only assume they are somehow ok with it" I mean there must be things I don't know. Like ultimately this doesn't really hurt Bezos and the like all that much. Like they make money on whatever happens somehow. Or they think longer term and they are ready to absolutely gorge themselves on some kind of bounce back in a couple years because they are somehow positioned exactly right. Like how at a smaller scale how Equifax ultimately made a shit ton of new money as a result of having their web site hacked. Maybe all the Bezos's of the country are just arms dealers who make out no matter what.

I don't know. Perhaps everyone's right and they are all tools no better equipped than myself. But I just think that's a kind of stupid take. Some probably are, and some surely are not. I am quite sure I can not solve Apple's Trump problem better than Tim. I simply wonder, what the heck are they doing? It looks from here on the ground like they aren't doing anything. But I can only assume that just means I can't see anything that matter from here, and don't know how to read what I can see.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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You can extend the "free market ideologues" to include more groups such as those who were very concerned about free speech for exactly four years from 2021-2024. Same people were concerned about politicization of justice department, but only when certain Presidents are in office. Same goes for "respect for constitution". "Family values" was abandoned quite a while ago. Wilhoit’s Law has never been truer.

Wilhoit's Law: > Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: > There must be in-groups whom the law protectes but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. https://crookedtimber.org/2018/03/21/liberals-against-progre...

That doesn't apply to Trump. s/law/what actually goes down/

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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The Republican Party on the other hand is very much in favor of the free market… or was. Many long time Republicans turned on a dime and deserve to be called out on it.

I think it's a bit more accurate to say that many long time Republicans claimed to support free markets. It's a little naive to believe that they actually meant any of that in reality. Them and their donors were growing fabulously wealthy off of functionally non -free markets.

They don't even claim to support total free market as end goal. Both party support free speech and free trade on principle, but support what shouldn't be free is highly political.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

#407

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you mean: 700 different permutations of barrel plug diameter, sex and voltage?

There has been maybe two dozen different barrel plugs widely used over the last two decades, and "12V" and "20V" were already a de-facto standard for laptops with 2S and 3S batteries respectively (there was some artificial segmentation like 18.5V, 19V, 19.5V, 20V, etc. but they are all within tolerance range). I have not seen a male laptop; they are always female, being the "receiver" of the power. Search for "laptop…

Two dozen different plugs over the last two decades means that we're averaging 1.2 different barrel plugs per year.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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> I generally agree with Musk's politics Children are dying in Africa as a direct result of his actions right now. https://www.npr.org/sections/goats-and-soda/2025/04/14/g-s1-...

Where are all the other concerned countries stepping in to help since the US has left? Why is the US the only country that is considered responsible for the problems of foreign countries while every other country is given the luxury of focusing only on their domestic affairs?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_development_aid_agenci...

US is clearly not the only country.

I guess other aid agencies are already busy with their existing programs and can't easily step in when the country with the biggest GDP stop suddenly.

Edit: See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_development_aid_sovere...

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

#409

Let me make sure I understand this: the president is addressing the fentanyl state of emergency by tariffing imported vehicle parts from wherever?

Fentanyl is smuggled into the country with foreign auto parts, obviously.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

#410

Let me make sure I understand this: the president is addressing the fentanyl state of emergency by tariffing imported vehicle parts from wherever?

I'm guessing American cars are more unreliable and might break down before they manage to deliver the fentanyl.
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