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Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by AlecSchueler »

widdershins wrote: post #206
rafaelmn wrote: post #140

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That sounds like a comment about streaming and artists getting basically nothing from it ? I think music AI in live music would actually be interesting - theoretically it can react to crowds better than any human could. A group music editing session with the AI weaving it to music - sounds like a fun art project.

> theoretically it can react to crowds better than any human could That's one area I'd expect AI to do poorly. Performance is a two-way dialog between performers and the crowd, with facial expressions and body movements from both the stage and the audience in communication. I'd expect any AI that's not attached to a humanoid robot to be less exciting to a crowd. However, I am very excited about AI in some of the othe…

Imagine a club where the people dancing are wearing, for example, heart rate monitors amongst other things. In that scenario they already weren't looking at the DJ and the AI would have a steady stream of information to work with.

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Post by AlecSchueler »

metalman wrote: post #315
margorczynski wrote: post #275

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Actually from what I've heard from musicians is that digital made living just from music really hard. First it was piracy and now it is streaming, the days where an average whole band could live off playing and creating music are gone. AI will be the nail to the coffin where it'll almost completely becomes a hobby.

The anouncement of the "death of the band" is premature.I dont believ this for a second, nothing can replace live music played by humans, as the experience and the very real positive benifits of an audience comming together can not be digitised, in spite of the many attempts to package high tech simulated environments. There are hundreds of thousands of full time touring musical groups world wide, and millions of mus…

> nothing can replace live music played by humans, as the experience and the very real positive benifits of an audience comming together can not be digitised

I wish it were true but I'm also very aware of how many people I see in audiences today are scrolling instagram while the band plays.

> There are hundreds of thousands of full time touring musical groups world wide, and millions of music festivals every year.

Those figures seem very high, do you have a source for these? Or even how you worked it out as a guesstimate?

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by AlecSchueler »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #383
Applejinx wrote: post #296

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We've had that for years in the DAW and autotune and snapping to grid. The result's pretty boring and interchangeable, and that's largely what AI music is trained on. Accuracy is not novel here. Ever since the 80s it's been increasingly possible to augment musical skill or lack of, with technology. I don't think we're very close to correcting for sloppy intentionality. Only to correcting 'mistakes', or alternately ad…

I know I've seen a video where somebody takes part of a Led Zeppelin song and snaps all the notes to a grid. What started off wonderful became sterile and boring.

You can snap while still maintaining arbitrary levels and styles of swing. I suspect the video was intentionally framing the correction software as soulless (of course it is, but the limit of its expression is the human technician using it).

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Post by flanked-evergl »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #385
flanked-evergl wrote: post #176

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aesthetically original, avant-garde, and bad.

Some modern art is certainly not to my taste, but I don't think most people would call (for example) the Impressionists "bad".

The person I replied to was not talking about impressionists, and I would not call them bad either.

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Post by tasuki »

BobaFloutist wrote: post #371
tasuki wrote: post #274

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There exist many problems for which it's easy to verify the inputs-outputs, but much harder to write the functions to convert the inputs into the outputs. Just write an executable spec and have the AI generate the code that fulfills it. Where is the risk?

I guess the risk would be that the cost of compute would explode out of control long before you got a viable solution. To give a bit of an absurd example, I imagine there's a reason it's not currently worth it to generate the code with a random character generator, even though hypothetically that would get you there eventually. If we consider AI a much, MUCH better version of a random character generator (let's say i…

Just time box it then?

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Post by dyauspitr »

Applejinx wrote: post #308
dyauspitr wrote: post #20

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Loading and unloading them and folding clothes makes it not good enough yet. There are so many things a humanoid robot could do around a house. Laundry, dishes, picking up clutter, taking out the trash, wiping down surfaces and dusting, pulling out weeds etc. I actually think we’re somewhat close to gettin g like that relatively soon.

Humanoid or not, anything that can do these things and understand you when you ask to do them, in a useful way that's not like 'white mutiny' but actually like a proper servant… …deserves to sit on the back porch playing guitar if it likes. If it's a superintelligence way superior to its human masters, it deserves that MORE than if it's a hapless, semi-useless mechanism.

I wouldn’t say an LLM needs time to relax and it can do all of the above atleast in the virtual space already.

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Post by SirMaster »

voidspark wrote: post #179
chii wrote: post #175

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There are still blacksmiths today, selling artisanal products. I dont believe it to be any different with the advent of AGI. What you don't get of course, is the economic benefit of previously.

If AGI takes my job as a software developer, my career is finished. I don't know what else to do. Companies won't give a shit about "artisanal" code.

Use your imagination a little... There are endless things you can do. I don't understand this mindset. Especially if you are intelligent enough to be a competent software developer, you have the capacity to do a LOT or at least in my experience you probably do.

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Post by SirMaster »

voidspark wrote: post #199
Juliate wrote: post #196

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You don't need "companies". You need enough customers to buy/support your work so that you get a living out of it. Being a software developer is a _facet_ of your work. You (unconsciously perhaps) do many other things around/with it that the most efficient AI today cannot do alone. And AGI is still far on the horizon, if not a mirage.

Hey we're talking about a future scenario where AGI actually exists and is vastly better at software development than any human, and can do it much cheaper than current developer salaries. We're talking about science fiction which may become true much sooner than most people expect. I would be competing with cheap AGI services so it makes no difference whether I am a freelancer or not. > Being a software developer is…

You sound really jaded and close minded to me in your posts. If AI replaces software development, the only reason you are "done" is because you are jaded and close minded and seemingly unwilling to adapt to the world and life.

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Post by voidspark »

SirMaster wrote: post #407
voidspark wrote: post #179

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If AGI takes my job as a software developer, my career is finished. I don't know what else to do. Companies won't give a shit about "artisanal" code.

Use your imagination a little... There are endless things you can do. I don't understand this mindset. Especially if you are intelligent enough to be a competent software developer, you have the capacity to do a LOT or at least in my experience you probably do.

I am using my imagination. I am talking about a future scenario where the value of human labour drops to zero.

ASI. Artificial Super Intelligence. All jobs replaced by machines.

Many people derive a sense of purpose from their hard work, skill mastery, and its contribution to society.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by fullshark »

skybrian wrote: post #397
fullshark wrote: post #355

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Sure, but one shift as a nurse in a hospital will open your eyes to just how difficult a job that can be, and not one many people would do unless "forced" to.

I’m not sure what your scare quotes mean, but nurses don’t work for free and traveling nurses in particular make good money. “Forced labor” originally meant things like slave labor, but some people have it backwards. I think anyone will agree that being able to walk away is important for negotiations. How much you’re paid has little to do with that. Having alternative job offers or the savings to do without a job for…

There's many incentives encouraging people to work in America. Many of them are positive ones (pride, a sense of community, ambition) and many of them are negative (inability to pay rent, health insurance, food otherwise).

A lot of terrible jobs are required in our society to be done by people from negative encouragement. The belief that all jobs can be done purely through positive encouragement I think is potentially naive. Maybe nurse was a bad example but people who work from this negative encouragement are in many ways "forced" to.

For illustration some of the worst farm labor jobs in America are done by illegal immigrants, and it's not obvious legal citizens would do those jobs at any rate that makes economic sense. The economic engine that gets us food in our grocery store runs on their desperation.

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