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Post by icameron »

blacklion wrote: post #351
WhrRTheBaboons wrote: post #272

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what about US costs of living?

What about European taxes? I', paying 48% + there is 21% VAT on almost everything. Plus taxes for water (taxes, not pay-per-used-m3, and this payment is here too), energy (atop of market energy prices), roads, gasoline, etc.

Slightly tangential question for you- does 48% taxes include healthcare? How about pension? It’s tax week in the US, I think my rate was 22% overall. But another 10% of compensation is health insurance. Another 15% is retirement savings. My municipal water bill last quarter mostly was not for actual water usage (about 40% was for water) rest is system charge and storm water fees. Regarding the VAT thing… we may be effectively getting the equivalent with tariffs on goods and materials supposedly taking effect!

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Post by watt »

JimDabell wrote: post #317
throwaway2037 wrote: post #156

First, this is pretty rough what happened to the person. My condolences. Second, completely tangential to the content of the blog post: Was anyone else surprised by the number of comments/"mentions"/likes/reposts? I haven't seen so much activity on a single blog post in years . Normally, blog posts that accept comments have 10 or less comments. This one has hundreds .

I keep seeing this pop up everywhere. I’m sure he’s a great guy, but the level of attention he’s getting is massively disproportionate. A lot of great people have been laid off recently!

If think the attention is in proportion, people are reacting just like when a body has an inflammation. If a person of _this_ calibre can be fired, and not even fired, disposed as a used-up tissue, it is a sign of times.

Re: Googler... ex-Googler

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Post by eloisant »

pclmulqdq wrote: post #345
Aeolun wrote: post #306

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> I imagine it's no different in France. He literally just told you it’s different in France?

He said that with incorrect information about how layoffs in America work.

No I didn't. I know how layoffs works in America because I've been laid off in America.

Re: Googler... ex-Googler

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Post by noosphr »

azangru wrote: post #324

I've skimmed through the comments; and seen that most people have commented on the cog in the machine thing, or on layoffs in general and how they suck. To me, the shock from this blog post was about seeing a Chrome developer relations engineer whom I have grown to admire and who has been doing a stellar job educating web developers on new html and css features, get the sack. He was one of the best remaining speakers…

>What does this say about Google's commitment to developer excellence?

Look inside the tensorflow code base for your answer.

I had the Kafkaesque experience of reporting a bug, being told there is no bug by a help desk employee, while the bug was throwing up errors in the official docs.

To top it off I got a message by one of the onshore team months later that they were going to solve it only for the person to be fired within a week.

I've mostly moved to jax for daily experiments. Hopefully the fact that codebase is small and modular will mean that when Google Googles all over the project there will be enough know how to maintain a community fork.

Re: Googler... ex-Googler

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Post by marcusb »

whatshisface wrote: post #95
marcusb wrote: post #76

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> layoff plans must be communicated ahead of time. Minimum 30 days notice, usually much more In the United States, employers with more than 100 full-time, non-probationary employees must provide 60 days notice of most planned layoffs[0] > - LIFO principle for layoffs, newest employees are let go first. Stack ranking not possible This is functionally equivalent to a stack ranking in that it is a forced-distribution sc…

There's no such thing as a protected group in US law - a protected class means a certain property of someone that employment decisions can't depend on, not a value of that property.

First, I'll say it is pretty common to use the terms interchangeably. I don't think anyone was confused by what I wrote, or that your "clarification" was in any way helpful. See, for example, these legal groups using the term "protected group" in relation to US employment law:

* https://www.osbar.org/public/legalinfo/1095_DiscriminationEm...

* https://pedersenlaw.com/practice-areas/discrimination/

Secondly, I used the phrase "protected group" referring to disparate impact, and here, your assertion (to the extent it has any validity at all) is simply incorrect. The entire idea is to ferret out subtle acts of discrimination that have an outsize impact on a group consisting of members of a protected class, and in the case law you see the phrase "protected group" used explicitly. For example:

  On the contrary, the ultimate burden of proving that discrimination against a protected group has been caused by a specific employment practice remains with the plaintiff at all times (Watson v Fort Worth Bank & Trust, 487 US 977 - Supreme Court 1988[0])
0 - https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=637945611431669...

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Post by Loughla »

pclmulqdq wrote: post #300
eloisant wrote: post #267

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In France you can't layoff people on the spot, there is a 3 months notice. And I've yet to hear about employees going rogue. Maybe in US laid off employees can go rogue because they're treated like shit in the process?

US laid off employees also get 3-6 months of full pay and benefits. They just lose access to the building and their work devices immediately. I imagine it's no different in France.

That's not true in every sector.

After college I worked for a large regional manufacturer. They laid off about 10% of their employees, I got nothing.

Severance pay is a white collar benefit.

Re: Googler... ex-Googler

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Post by Tainnor »

oblio wrote: post #314
apwell23 wrote: post #281

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> In my experience there is very little respect for "the human" being laid off in US companies its much easier to find another job in US because of this though.

Is it, really? Aren't US tech interview notoriously difficult? Many rounds of interviews, background checks, etc.? Most purely European companies don't do that. Actually, unfortunately, some of them do, because of American influence. But for sure they didn't use to.

IME, this was true four years ago. Few rounds, assessments were mostly take homes or in-person "implement a feature" style, interview questions didn't seem to be built to trip you up.

Now, every job I apply for has 4-5 rounds, leetcode is more common, they do behavioural and system design rounds that you have to prepare for, etc. One job I applied to even asked me two behavioural questions via email before I even talked to someone. Something's truly off.

Re: Googler... ex-Googler

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Post by intellectronica »

anal_reactor wrote: post #358
intellectronica wrote: post #168

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> Through the entirety of human history you'd keep working for the same employer for your entire life Hardly. This type of arrangement was short-lived and anomalous. It was roughly true in rich economies during a few decades of the post-war era. Never before, and not for most people around the world. Relationships are worth cultivating any time, of course, but one shouldn't mistake a job for a life. The idea that a j…

> Never before, and not for most people around the world. Please tell me more about the gig economy of medieval peasants.

Medieval peasants cannot be said to have had a job. They are mostly either tied to the land (and its ownders), or indeed gigging from season to season.

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Post by Loughla »

sublimefire wrote: post #378
windward wrote: post #268

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>job security is an illusion It really is. Even government and blue chips aren't safe. In fact, those are where you'll find it's the most disconnected from your own agency.

Government jobs are safe because rarely if ever people get fired.

Until whole departments get gutted on the whims of a new executive or their political appointee department head.

And I'm not just talking about Trump. Every mayor, governor, what have you. They all appoint their friends to high places.

Re: Googler... ex-Googler

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Post by apwell23 »

tempfile wrote: post #387
apwell23 wrote: post #346

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low eu salaries implies finding job is hard. fact.

What a waste of a comment. Low salaries typically imply finding a job is easier, because more potential employers can afford to pay you. Can you add any kind of evidence, argument, anything? Saying "fact" after an armchair guess does not make it one.

> Low salaries typically imply finding a job is easier, because more potential employers can afford to pay you. Can you add any kind of evidence, argument, anything?

sorry i forgot to add "typically" which apparently is a license to spout any BS .

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