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Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by chvid »

hamstergene wrote: post #375

I keep being tempted to write same post but named "Does all software work like shit now?", because I swear, this is not just Apple. Software in general feels more bugged as a new norm. Most websites have an element that won't load on the first try, or a button that sometimes needs to be clicked twice because the first click did nothing. Amazon shopping app needs two clicks every now and then, because the first one di…

Am I the only one only who is satisfied with Mac OS X? I use Windows from time to time and as far as I can tell it is much worse when it comes to random updates and UI quirkiness.

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by lostlogin »

rcarmo wrote: post #10

There are some factual "gaps" there about how good Snow Leopard was, but I understand the sentiment. As someone who's been a Mac user since System 6 and has been consistently using Macs alongside PCs _daily_ for over 20 years I can say that Apple's software quality (either in terms of polish or just plain QA) has steadily decreased. It's just that me and other old-time switchers have stopped complaining about it and…

> As someone who's been a Mac user since System 6 and has been consistently using Macs alongside PCs _daily_ for over 20 years I can say that Apple's software quality (either in terms of polish or just plain QA) has steadily decreased.

Similar for me but started in system 7.

It’s just lucky Windows has got worse faster.

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by lostlogin »

rcarmo wrote: post #10

There are some factual "gaps" there about how good Snow Leopard was, but I understand the sentiment. As someone who's been a Mac user since System 6 and has been consistently using Macs alongside PCs _daily_ for over 20 years I can say that Apple's software quality (either in terms of polish or just plain QA) has steadily decreased. It's just that me and other old-time switchers have stopped complaining about it and…

> As someone who's been a Mac user since System 6 and has been consistently using Macs alongside PCs _daily_ for over 20 years I can say that Apple's software quality (either in terms of polish or just plain QA) has steadily decreased.

Similar for me but started in system 7.

It’s lucky for Apple that Windows has got worse faster.

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by wavemode »

lor_louis wrote: post #150
pavel_lishin wrote: post #20

> I am not suggesting Apple has fallen behind Windows or Android. Changing a setting on Windows 11 can often involve a journey through three or four different interface designs, artifacts of half-implemented changes dating back to the last century. Whenever I find myself stuck outside of Appleland, I am eager to return “home,” flaws and all. Hard agree with this. I sometimes have to boot up a windows laptop to play M…

To be fair, win11 is a nightmare in terms of usability. I can only assume a committee of eldritch beings and accountants designed it. It blows my mind that when right-clicking on a file in file explorer, the 'delete' option is hidden in a sub-menu under 'more options'.

Yeah the new context menu is horrible. Fortunately it can be set back to classic, I think with a registry edit

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by pndy »

t1234s wrote: post #285

Apple needs to make all of the accessory apps (photos, music, news, maps, mail, etc..) uninstallable and able to be added later if needed through their app store. Every MacOS update brings along this bloatware that is not easily removed.

That's possible in EU (prob also in EEA). Of all you mention only Photos shows a dramatic sliding modal asking you if you want to remove it; data library will stay but features like hidden, recently deleted photos and "memories" won't be available.

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by illiac786 »

chvid wrote: post #401
hamstergene wrote: post #375

I keep being tempted to write same post but named "Does all software work like shit now?", because I swear, this is not just Apple. Software in general feels more bugged as a new norm. Most websites have an element that won't load on the first try, or a button that sometimes needs to be clicked twice because the first click did nothing. Amazon shopping app needs two clicks every now and then, because the first one di…

Am I the only one only who is satisfied with Mac OS X? I use Windows from time to time and as far as I can tell it is much worse when it comes to random updates and UI quirkiness.

Mac OS X is fine, that would be snow leopard for example =)

macOS on the other hand, is getting worse, I can definitely concur that spotlight is getting more and more useless. Time Machine as well. It mostly doesn’t work for me, always breaking, hanging…

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by weinzierl »

chii wrote: post #380
hamstergene wrote: post #375

I keep being tempted to write same post but named "Does all software work like shit now?", because I swear, this is not just Apple. Software in general feels more bugged as a new norm. Most websites have an element that won't load on the first try, or a button that sometimes needs to be clicked twice because the first click did nothing. Amazon shopping app needs two clicks every now and then, because the first one di…

> first job 13+ years ago any QA... such QA jobs no longer exists. Ever since the software dev world has moved to doing one's own QA during development, software has been consistently worse in quality. May be there's a correlation there!

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Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by makeitdouble »

simondotau wrote: post #57
spudlyo wrote: post #32

I'm done with macOS, I've migrated to Linux for my general purpose computing. With every new release of macOS, Gatekeeper is becoming harder and harder to bypass, increasing Apple's control over what software can be run on macOS, forcing apps to be signed with an Apple Developer ID. While I'm happy they are taking security seriously, I'm seriously creeped out that macOS sends hashes of every executable I run to their…

I understand and appreciate the sentiment, but I see the intent very differently. Apple is not employing a frog boiling strategy, but rather being responsive to an increasingly sophisticated adversary. It’s like criticism of the quality of Google search dropping. It has absolutely tanked, but it’s not because the algorithm is worse, it’s because the internet has grown orders of magnitude and most of it uses the same…

> Apple

Actively depleting the good-will they accumulated over the years definitely makes it worse. It's that harder to give the benefit of the doubt to a company also showing the middle finger to their Devs.

> Google

Giving priority to AdSense sites, fucking around with content lengths (famously penalising short stay sites), killing advanced search options. That's just thinking about it for 10s, but to me most of it is totally of Google's making.

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by sofixa »

canpan wrote: post #251
rcarmo wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have some hope that Framework and AMD can fix some of those issues. Would love to try out their new desktop (because it's a simpler, more tightly integrated thing) and replace my Mac mini -- then wait for Linux power management to improve.

Currently also looking at Framework+AMD. I want Mac hardware but Linux software. The other makers build quality is horrendous. Especially in the 13inch segment which is my favorite. Using a pretty old laptop because there is no replacement right now. The new Ryzen AI looks really interesting! Sadly there is no Framework shop for me to look at it and they not ship to Japan..

> The other makers build quality is horrendous

Out of curiosity, what are you basing this on? From having spoken to people who manage IT fleets, and being the person regular people ask for advice for what device to get, with the occasional exception (which Apple also had plenty of, cf. the butterfly keyboard), you get what you pay for. A 1k-1.5k+ Asus/Dell/HP/Lenovo will get you decent and good build quality.

The cheapest $500 Acer won't.

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by whatevertrevor »

int_19h wrote: post #370
ziml77 wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Search feels to me like a good compromise between memorizing terminal commands (including the correct set of parameters to do what you want) and navigating through a UI to find what you're looking for.

Search is fine as a one-off thing, but if you repeatedly have to use search to find some common setting, that's a clear UX fail. To be fair, it's hard to say whether the Settings app is more broken in Windows or macOS these days. I think I'd have to give the crown to macOS here on account of search itself being more broken.

Why is it a UI fail? Honestly search as the default way of going to settings is my favorite development in modern OS design, I no longer need to memorize 3-6 deep menu trees to find a trivial setting.

For example:

I prefer keeping my hands on the keyboard, and typing cmd+space followed by mouse is so much faster than finding the right pixels to click through in menu trees when I want to adjust my mouse sensitivity.

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