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Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Post by modeless »

badc0ffee wrote: post #391
wpm wrote: post #184

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Quicktime Player.app gets an entitlement called `com.apple.private.tcc.allow`, giving it unprompted access to the Camera, Microphone, and Screen Capture. An MDM administrator, managing a computer or device owned by an organization, cannot grant those permissions to anything without user consent. For good reason! So why the *fuck* does Apple think they're entitled to?

Think about why they ask for access in the first place - it's because camera access or screen access might be unexpected for the app you've just started. Or maybe you don't trust the app with your camera (looking at you, Instagram). QuickTime Player is already on your Mac and you already know what it does when you launch it.

I sure didn't know QuickTime Player could read my screen or listen to my microphone...

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Post by blackeyeblitzar »

vessenes wrote: post #101

I guess I’ll take the contra here on messages integration — moving a message over BLE to untrusted hardware and worse accepting them back into iMessage is a massive, massive change in the security boundary and therefore security architecture and therefore security promises that apple makes on iMessage. I do not believe average smartwatch users understand what they’d be doing if they got this. I do not believe vendors…

> One reason iMessage is less of a total cesspit than SMS is that the ecosystem is closed, and makes automation difficult.

Is this really true? I receive a lot of iMessage (not SMS) spam on iOS devices too. In fact for me I see more spam purely on iMessage than SMS. It wasn’t like that in the past, but my point is even closed systems can be abused.

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Post by Rebelgecko »

vessenes wrote: post #101

I guess I’ll take the contra here on messages integration — moving a message over BLE to untrusted hardware and worse accepting them back into iMessage is a massive, massive change in the security boundary and therefore security architecture and therefore security promises that apple makes on iMessage. I do not believe average smartwatch users understand what they’d be doing if they got this. I do not believe vendors…

Does Apple not support that sort of integration already? What happens when your phone is connected to a car and you get a message?

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Post by blackeyeblitzar »

Nifty3929 wrote: post #268

I think people forget that Apple is not making devices for the Hackernews community. They are making devices for people that just want something that works pretty well and has reasonable security - even to the extent of protecting them from themselves. They have other things to do with their time than learn about security vulnerabilities and how to avoid them. They want to just click 'yes' on every popup and expect t…

> And those people do not care much about lock-in and walled gardens. They are not interested in jailbreaking and sideloading apps. They've never heard of Pebble or have any interest in it.

Customers are interested in new products and services that are good. This is how all currently popular products began, obviously. By preventing competitors from being good, as Apple and Microsoft and Amazon and other mega corporations regularly do, there’s no chance for competition to get to the point of attracting customers in the first place. Those people that you think are not interested in one thing or the other COULD want those things if they were allowed and easy to do without all these anti competitive practices.

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Post by rahkiin »

bhelkey wrote: post #220
rahkiin wrote: post #122

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Which they never advertised it to be. Nor is my toaster and my oven or my xbox

~70% of the 8 billion people in this world use a smartphone [1]. It is the primary computer for a huge percentage of these people [2]. Comparing mobile phones to toasters, ovens and gaming consoles is disingenuous. [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/203734/global-smartphone... [2] https://gs.statcounter.com/platform-market-share/desktop-mob...

It might be the primary communications device.

So maybe we should look at our definition of computer in this context. As almost everything contains software programmable controllers these days, that cannot be the definition.

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Post by consteval »

infecto wrote: post #240
layer8 wrote: post #179

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And GP is saying that that’s totally okay.

I am saying folks who use Linux do not know how to utilize their time well. It’s tongue in cheek at the commentary to the GP but hope that makes more sense to you.

People say this about Linux but it’s not been my experience. Granted I’m 10 years deep now, but everything just works always and is exactly how I like it. Even basic things like menus changing doesn’t happen on Debian. I’m good to go.

Windows? Provided it doesn’t shit the bed, which it often does, things change randomly for no reason and beyond your control. One day you boot up and boom - the UI for x, y, z is different. And there goes 10 hours spread over the next month while you relearn.

iOS is fairly decent about this too.

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Post by _aavaa_ »

frollogaston wrote: post #347
liquid_thyme wrote: post #309

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Yes, you could. It's indeed troubling to see this mindset on HN. We have an overflow of professional "explainers" these days, we need more doers and fighters.

If you want to do and fight, use Linux. Apple made their intentions clear decades ago.

Better than voting with your wallet is voting with your vote and getting regulations in place.

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Post by Osiris »

vessenes wrote: post #101

I guess I’ll take the contra here on messages integration — moving a message over BLE to untrusted hardware and worse accepting them back into iMessage is a massive, massive change in the security boundary and therefore security architecture and therefore security promises that apple makes on iMessage. I do not believe average smartwatch users understand what they’d be doing if they got this. I do not believe vendors…

I get plenty of spam texts on iMessage. Can you elaborate on what you mean by "cesspit"?

Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Post by badc0ffee »

modeless wrote: post #401
badc0ffee wrote: post #391

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Think about why they ask for access in the first place - it's because camera access or screen access might be unexpected for the app you've just started. Or maybe you don't trust the app with your camera (looking at you, Instagram). QuickTime Player is already on your Mac and you already know what it does when you launch it.

I sure didn't know QuickTime Player could read my screen or listen to my microphone...

I guess that's fair, because the name says Player. But still, the way to not use those features is to not use those features. Unlike a third party app you don't need to worry about it trying to read your screen if you haven't explicitly started a screen recording. If you can't trust Apple to do that then you can't trust Apple to block third party apps from recording, either.
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