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Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed

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Re: Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed

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Post by warkdarrior »

Klonoar wrote: post #284
tejohnso wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I discovered the same recently and have abandoned it. It's unfortunate because the potential is there for a real city wide or nation wide group discussion platform. But who moderates the moderators?

I don’t have too much issue with Reddits politics at the moment, but I do think it’s odd that such a powerful platform in society is managed by volunteer (mostly) anonymous moderators. I will be explicit in that I am not condoning doxxing Reddit mods. I just don’t think we’d be fine with this in normal day to day life.

Do you know the editors at your local TV stations? The local radio stations? The people who curate the datasets that train the YouTube recommendation model?

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Post by cowfriend »

Glyptodon wrote: post #297
philomath_mn wrote: post #293

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> I think violence is going to become more common What kind and why?

Stuff like the Thompson or Abe assassinations. That said, I think the why is more complicated. At least in the US I think there's a general sense that the world is backsliding, and that people feel like any bump on the road of life risks turning into a complete derailment. But this doesn't lead to any one particular ideology or course of action, so much as externalization of angst, whether against individuals, system…

> that people feel like any bump on the road of life risks turning into a complete derailment.

Maybe because in many ways it can be?

Unexpected medical condition -> crushing debt

Police stop goes bad

Job loss for reasons outside of your control

Wildfires burn your house down, or some other natural disaster

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Post by lazyeye »

HEmanZ wrote: post #333
lazyeye wrote: post #244

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This statement is ridiculously out of touch.

There is a massive amount of evidence that Americans basically think everyone else is having a terrible time, but asked to review their own living situation things are going well. Here’s a decent summary from late 2024: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/23/opinion/biden-trump-vibec... Instead of engaging in the data, opponents usually yell the equivalent of what you put “You’re just out of touch!” Or throw in an anecdo…

Sorry but quoting the NYTimes as evidence would be no different from a Republican quoting Fox News as evidence to you.

Here's an old quote from the author, the esteemable Paul Krugman

“The growth of the Internet will slow drastically, as the flaw in ‘Metcalfe’s law’—which states that the number of potential connections in a network is proportional to the square of the number of participants—becomes apparent: most people have nothing to say to each other! By 2005 or so, it will become clear that the Internet’s impact on the economy has been no greater than the fax machine’s.”

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Post by warkdarrior »

zombiwoof wrote: post #374
joshdavham wrote: post #42

One thing to consider for those of us who are more sensitive to online outrage is to just quit social media all together. I’m technically gen z and I’ve been off of social media (aside from HN, WhatsApp and discord) for years and you wouldn’t believe how great it’s been for my overall state of mind. Reddit, instagram, X, Facebook, TikTok, LinkedIn, Threads, etc are all the equivalent of digital junk food and I’d argu…

Isn’t this how they win? I mean the people in Germany in 1930 just said , this is crazy , it doesn’t feel right, but hey I have outrage fatigue so the concentration camps are just fine

Much of the German population in the 1930s and 1940s was not aware of concentration camps, and learned of them once the Allies arrived.

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Post by vmnb »

Glyptodon wrote: post #290

I don't have outrage fatigue. Outrages are outrages and they are what they are. Are there many exaggerations and fake outrages? Sure. But things like the USA's current constitutional crisis are real. What I struggle with isn't fatigue at outrage, it's knowing what to do about it. I think violence is going to become more common, but I don't particularly think it will be effective. So less so than outrage, it's the fee…

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Post by lenerdenator »

andy_ppp wrote: post #392
palmotea wrote: post #390

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> I've earmarked 3% of my income every month for a list of selected charities that currently includes the ACLU, the HRC, and a short list of smaller ones. I don't think that's a good investment, considering how badly those organizations failed in order to bring us to today.

How did these organisations make people vote for Donald Trump?

Not OP, but to me, these are organizations that are meant for a world where laws matter.

They spent the four years of the Biden administration acting like a hall monitor telling other students they can't smoke in the boys' room. Like, not only can they smoke in the boys' room, they have done so repeatedly. They have upgraded from clove cigarettes to tobacco to weed to crack.

The current oligarchs of the US got there by having no shame and by not caring about the rules, because ultimately, they're just words on paper unless someone uses force (through the state's monopoly on it) to make them a reality.

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Post by lazyeye »

lazyeye wrote: post #403
HEmanZ wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a massive amount of evidence that Americans basically think everyone else is having a terrible time, but asked to review their own living situation things are going well. Here’s a decent summary from late 2024: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/23/opinion/biden-trump-vibec... Instead of engaging in the data, opponents usually yell the equivalent of what you put “You’re just out of touch!” Or throw in an anecdo…

Sorry but quoting the NYTimes as evidence would be no different from a Republican quoting Fox News as evidence to you. Here's an old quote from the author, the esteemable Paul Krugman “The growth of the Internet will slow drastically, as the flaw in ‘Metcalfe’s law’—which states that the number of potential connections in a network is proportional to the square of the number of participants—becomes apparent: most peo…

Here's another mea culpa from Paul Krugman (he was wrong about globalization).

What Economists (Including Me) Got Wrong About Globalization https://archive.md/DrJKm

If you stick up a liquor and kill a couple of people you go to jail for life. If you advocate for polices that destroy the local economies of middle America with all the ills that ensue...social breakdown, drug addiction/overdoses, crime etc. Well you get to write a mea culpa and then head off to a nice dinner at your favorite NY restaurant I guess.

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Post by tim333 »

karaterobot wrote: post #17

Avoid following the news constantly. Check in every once in a while—a couple times a week at most. Get your news from long articles, not tweets. Actually read the articles, don't just learn about the world from hot takes. > ... people have found that, actually, outrage can be useful. It actually can help you identify a problem and react to it. But it can also be harmful if you’re experiencing it all the time and beco…

>Get your news from long articles, not tweets. Actually read the articles

Alternatively I glance at Google News occasionally. Normally the headlines are dull enough not to read the article.

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Post by mckirk »

tofof wrote: post #364
mckirk wrote: post #49

I can recommend https://newsasfacts.com for at least having a news source that, thanks to its matter-of-fact tone and lack of imagery, is useful for staying informed without getting overwhelmed so easily. It also puts things into a bit of a global perspective, when you realize how much stuff is going on around the world all the time. Though this of course also means you'll learn things that are on the news everywhere…

I assume you have a subscription? Does that let you turn on or off different topics? I am not interested in the large amount of space devoted to armed conflicts globally, for example.

I don't have a subscription so far, I just use it in its default setting. I'm not sure there is a filter like that even with a subscription, though.
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