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Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

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Re: Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

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Post by johnnyanmac »

hx8 wrote: post #130
thecosas wrote: post #122

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Keep in mind the plant they are talking about is in AZ, where median wages and cost of living are generally lower than California.

Medium individual income in AZ is ~37k. I'm not sure how many Americans would give up a 40hour/week job for a 996 that pays 13k more.

Very easily if they need to pay overtime here. I'd be very surprised to find an argument of $37k being exempt in any state.

They will indeed burn themselves out, but that's their choice of work/life balance vs. pay.

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Post by johnnyanmac »

numpad0 wrote: post #330
byw wrote: post #191

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More so in the Chinese-speaking world and South Korea because the industrialization/urbanization is more recent, so there's rising demand in the urban areas with high population growth, resulting in high prices. Japan's urbanization stopped long ago, and it's not taking in immigrants fast enough, so the urban areas have stopped growing. The mentality refers to East Asia's deep agrarian root that places high value on…

1. Japan's urbanization stopped long ago, 2. and it's not taking in immigrants fast enough, 3. so the urban areas have stopped growing. it's just my gut feeling but feels like each of these three statement can be individually debunked...

2 is pretty infamous unless something big happened recently (a lot of big things in JP happened recently, so I could have legitmately missed something).

1 is 50/50. Urbanization is growing because the small town life is shrinking.it's wrong at face value, but there is a cost to this in the overall economy, since the country overall isn't growing.

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Post by 7thaccount »

speff wrote: post #375
7thaccount wrote: post #354

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I'm a EE and had no problem finding a job and neither did any of my classmates in my EE program (early 2010s). I also didn't exactly go to anything approaching MIT, but it was an engineering school and I had a decent GPA. Particularly, there are a lot of well paying jobs in power systems with good work life balance. We have an energy transition going on, so that helps. Having an internship probably helped me too. I a…

Similar qualifications here, but no internships. Couldn't find anything after grad school in the early 2010s (and still nothing in the mid 2010s after trying again). Went into telcom and I'm a happy little coder now. Nice to actually feel appreciated in this field compared to EE where it felt like I was always working my butt off for scraps.

Just curious, were you still looking for entry level jobs after grad school or something more in the R&D realm?

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Post by jamesfinlayson »

7thaccount wrote: post #354
ecshafer wrote: post #213

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Everyone I know that was in EE falls into two camps basically: 1. Became web developers 2. Work in Defense or some other regulated industry that has protections from being outsourced to China

I'm a EE and had no problem finding a job and neither did any of my classmates in my EE program (early 2010s). I also didn't exactly go to anything approaching MIT, but it was an engineering school and I had a decent GPA. Particularly, there are a lot of well paying jobs in power systems with good work life balance. We have an energy transition going on, so that helps. Having an internship probably helped me too. I a…

> there are a lot of well paying jobs in power systems with good work life balance

How much electrical engineering is there in these jobs? I knew a few electrical engineer at university (weirdly they outnumbered the software engineers 3 to 1) and some of them told me they could get work for a local power company, but it was mostly looking at spreadsheets and not really using anything that they'd learned.

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Post by speff »

7thaccount wrote: post #403
speff wrote: post #375

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Similar qualifications here, but no internships. Couldn't find anything after grad school in the early 2010s (and still nothing in the mid 2010s after trying again). Went into telcom and I'm a happy little coder now. Nice to actually feel appreciated in this field compared to EE where it felt like I was always working my butt off for scraps.

Just curious, were you still looking for entry level jobs after grad school or something more in the R&D realm?

I was focused on finding something entry-level. Did a non-thesis masters focused on mixed signal / RF design and R&D didn't really appeal to me at the time

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Post by tester756 »

hnfong wrote: post #281
tester756 wrote: post #179

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What % of the all fab costs over two decades are the people? Including the cost of building it and modernization

All money ultimately goes to labor. Rocks don't accept cash as payment.

but not fab's labor.

Re: Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

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Post by tester756 »

layer8 wrote: post #253
tester756 wrote: post #205

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I'm mostly thinking about finding things that you werent even aware that they do exist

I’m trying to think of anything I find useful that I stumbled upon thanks to ads over the past twenty years or so, and I’m pretty much drawing a blank. It certainly seems negligible. The problem with prohibiting ads is how to prevent (or even define) payed hidden promotions. But tracking and targeted ads could be prohibited, which would already make things much more civil and less relevant as a tech profit center.

>I’m trying to think of anything I find useful that I stumbled upon thanks to ads over the past twenty years or so, and I’m pretty much drawing a blank. It certainly seems negligible.

Maybe the ad is good when you arent even aware that you were influenced by it?

like Cola vs Pepsi, McDonald vs KFC, etc.

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Post by adamtaylor_13 »

threeseed wrote: post #334
adamtaylor_13 wrote: post #320

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A business’s viability outside of advertising doesn’t change the morality of advertising. Regardless of which side of the camp you fall on, you can’t argue that ads are “good” just because some businesses need them to survive. In fact, I’d wager if a business NEEDS ads to survive, it’s probably a net negative on society as a whole. I won’t die on that hill, but that’s my hunch.

Your entire premise is ridiculous. Advertising is nothing more than bringing attention to your product to your target customer. And without this so called immoral behaviour I fail to see how any business works.

Uh… sure that’s an oversimplified reduction. We were specifically discussing advertising within the context of Google and online advertising.

It’s not even debated that advertising as it exists with Google, for the sake of profit at all costs is a net-negative in society.

It’s not the same as putting a sign by the road.

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Post by LeanderK »

niceice wrote: post #357
thinkingtoilet wrote: post #259

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It's not even brain drain, America's dominance came from the fact that for nearly a century the brightest people in the world were willing to give up everything to come here. That is no longer the case. Today's Einstein probably isn't going to immigrate here.

That is still the case and no where else is even close. https://www.statista.com/chart/30815/top-destination-countri... https://news.gallup.com/poll/468218/nearly-900-million-world...

I just want to point out that germany and US have a similar number when adjusted to it's respected population size (I think it's even a little bit higher).

I am kinda surprised to see it so far on the top

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Post by [deleted] »

Gomer1800 wrote: post #160
tobiasdorge wrote: post #151

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Does anyone know the general path to get involved in this? Perhaps its romantic, but this seems important, it seems hard, and it seems like something I can be proud of working on (as opposed to maximizing ad clicks). I'm just a SWE w/ a Comp sci degree, so what's the entry-point here?

Your entry point is a masters and probably Phd in Electrical Engineering, specializing in some aspect of semiconductor manufacturing. It’s definitely not CS.

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