Earlier quoted context omitted.
If the designers were truly considering the well-being of the occupants of the vehicles then they would be designing cities to minimize the time spent in vehicles; which means more than saving a few seconds at a stop light, it means getting them out of their cars entirely.
Forcing people into a 19th century standard of living is not good for their well being.
Making an intersection unsafe for pedestrians to save seconds for drivers
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Re: Making an intersection unsafe for pedestrians to save seconds for drivers
#402Earlier quoted context omitted.
The video and article specifically said these cars “ran the red light”, which they absolutely did not do.
you're supposed to slow down at a yellow to prepare to stop, not speed up to get through it, increasing speed through an intersection is inherently dangerous the author's point is valid and we're falling into pedantry
Those cars didn’t have time to stop safely. They would have had to slam on the breaks, which is very dangerous because the car behind you might not stop in time. Speeding up to get through in time is the right decision if you are very close to the intersection when the light turns yellow.
Re: Making an intersection unsafe for pedestrians to save seconds for drivers
#403Earlier quoted context omitted.
you're supposed to slow down at a yellow to prepare to stop, not speed up to get through it, increasing speed through an intersection is inherently dangerous the author's point is valid and we're falling into pedantry
It depends on how far from the intersection you are. If you can’t stop before the intersection, you shouldn’t slow down because you need to get through the intersection in time. Those cars didn’t have time to stop safely. They would have had to slam on the breaks, which is very dangerous because the car behind you might not stop in time. Speeding up to get through in time is the right decision if you are very close t…
Re: Making an intersection unsafe for pedestrians to save seconds for drivers
#404Aside from the debate, 600k seems insanely high for this intersection. No wonder this country's infrastructure is crumbling when it takes over half a million dollars to put in a few lights.
Plus it costs money to do the traffic survey and analysis to decide if you wanted to build the thing in the first place, and to determine the cycle timings. If you need to run an environmental impact report, that's more money on analysis.
Here's some estimates for component prices https://wbt.dot.state.fl.us/ois/tsmo/TrafficSignalBudgetingC... which I don't think includes installation. Probably $50k to $100k for the hardware, but there's a lot of labor, and engineering time.
Re: Making an intersection unsafe for pedestrians to save seconds for drivers
#405Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is no bicycle traffic because there are no bicycle roads. It's incorrect to claim that we shouldn't build bicycle roads because there's no bicycle traffic :)
A similar concept would be to only build airports where there's lots of planes landing.
Re: Making an intersection unsafe for pedestrians to save seconds for drivers
#406Earlier quoted context omitted.
Usually a crossing will instantly switch when the pedestrian button is pressed, if enough time has passed since the last "walk" cycle. Having a stage where walk is enabled when there's no pedestrians around wouldn't much help pedestrians, and would introduce inefficiency in throughput. And obviously, drivers can't press a button, so it makes more sense for controls to be accessible to the pedestrians.
Instantly? You're definitely not in North America. Many intersections around me, if you missed pressing the crossing button before parallel street had a green light, you missed your opportunity to walk for the next minute.
Re: Making an intersection unsafe for pedestrians to save seconds for drivers
#407Earlier quoted context omitted.
Freeze frame: https://imgur.com/a/ASSeakh > the stop lines are out of frame Is the car in the freeze frame in a legal position given the red light? It would appear not.
There's no way to know from a single frame. We would need to know the sequence of events. It's not against California vehicle code to be in an intersection when the light is red. It's not even necessarily against vehicle code to be in an intersection when the light is red for you and green for perpindicular traffic (although it's an imminent hazard, so you better have a good reason). To show a red light violation, yo…
The vehicle entered the intersection, by crossing the first line of the pedestrian crossing which is out of frame, while the light is yellow. The exit was clear when the vehicle entered the intersection, so there's no violation there, and it may proceed through the intersection. Cross traffic doesn't enter the intersection for a few seconds after it clears; and there are no pedestrians engaged with the intersection either, so there's no safety concern. The next car that goes through the yellow is fully in the intersection on yellow, so there's no question of a violation there, although again they were in the intersection on red although I think that one cleared before the perpendicular traffic got a green, unlike the vehicle in the images.
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#408> I captured two drivers ripping through red lights in that short span Video actually shows two cars entering the intersection on yellow lights, which is legal. The rest of the article seems similarly exaggerated. ---- Edit: For those who disagree, please be aware that the stop lines are out of frame, so both cars are already in the intersection before they're visible on the video. You can get a better picture of wha…
The second wasn't even close to running the light.
Re: Making an intersection unsafe for pedestrians to save seconds for drivers
#409Earlier quoted context omitted.
As I said MOST US states. I looked at the link and NO, they DO NOT DISAGREE. Read the language, drivers SPEEDING through a yellow light MAY be found negligent if they cause an injury to someone. "California’s yellow light law permits drivers to enter an intersection during a yellow light. No violation exists unless any part of the car is over the stopping line when the light turns red. However, the law encourages dri…
I'm reading this differently than you are: "No violation exists unless any part of the car is over the stopping line when the light turns red." But I'm not a lawyer and this is interpreting an interpretation.
Re: Making an intersection unsafe for pedestrians to save seconds for drivers
#410Earlier quoted context omitted.
One of us has misunderstood the other. Maybe I’m misreading you. Let me clarify my position. If you’ve entered the intersection on green or orange, and must await oncoming traffic before you can safely turn left, then the light turns red before oncoming traffic clears, once that traffic has indeed stopped for the red, you need to complete your left turn to clear the intersection, even on red. This situation is clearl…
For the last sentence, do you mean continue on straight if the desired left turn is not available?