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Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by kefabean » Wed, Jan 08, 2025, 7:03 PM UTC

GuB-42 wrote: post #202

in-pursuit wrote: post #124

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I assert this without evidence, but I would highly suspect club attendance numbers and rave attendance numbers to be strongly correlated.

Maybe those who go to raves are more likely to go to clubs too, but it doesn't mean that a decrease in club attendance means a decease in rave attendance. It may simply mean that clubs are not the preferred destination for partygoers anymore. To support that, it looks like music festival attendance is going up over the years. Music festivals are, I think, closer to raves than they are to night clubs, which, by the sa…

> To support that, it looks like music festival attendance is going up over the years.

This isn't global nor is it specific dance music but at least in the UK, festivals are struggling and have declined significantly since the beginning of covid - 204 festivals have disappeared since 2019: https://www.aiforg.com/blog-database/72-uk-festivals-cancell...

Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by bluGill » Wed, Jan 08, 2025, 7:05 PM UTC

apwell23 wrote: post #209

UltraSane wrote: post #199

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It isn't a hypothesis. It is a well known fact. The more expensive a property is the more time it will be spent vacant because a lot of the very expensive properties are just uses as investments.

why doesn't someone introduce a legislation to tax vacant second homes at astronomical rates

We did that long ago - well the rates are not astronomical, but taxes are higher. Some states (probably all but I don't know how to look this up) have a homestead credit, and they date back to the 1800s.

One thing missing - renters cannot homestead their apartment and so the funds that own the apartment have to charge more rent to cover taxes on those apartments.

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Post by steveBK123 » Wed, Jan 08, 2025, 7:06 PM UTC

ethbr1 wrote: post #297

steveBK123 wrote: post #118

Probably a bunch of factors... Tier 1 city RE prices have made live entertainment venues harder to run profitably. GenZ studies have found a lower participation in "risky behavior" which late night clubbing may or not be considered. Mobile internet & smartphones seem to be killing all forms of live in person interaction. And finally electronic music of various forms used to be a niche, and now it's mainstream. In the…

> In the 90s/00s my consumption of electronic music was mp3 downloads of BBC late night recordings. 'This. is. Radio. One. Essential... Essential...'

That’s right

Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by pier25 » Wed, Jan 08, 2025, 7:06 PM UTC

_yb2s wrote: post #383

The author doesn't even seem to know what a rave is, most likely they aren't in decline at all. They're talking about formal, permanent dance clubs shutting down for economic reasons. Raves are mostly an underground - often illegal or questionably legal - impromptu one off event, organized through word of mouth and social media on an invite only basis. There is almost no way to get statistics on them because they are…

This exactly. I was a dj and organized raves back in my 20s.

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Post by JW_00000 » Wed, Jan 08, 2025, 7:06 PM UTC

cooper_ganglia wrote: post #307

adverbly wrote: post #264

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It's shocking how often the answer to real estate issues is "land value tax would fix this!"

Sorry, but a "land value tax" is one of the worst political propositions I've ever heard. This is a great way to further erode the middle class, ensure that owning is always prohibitively out-of-reach for anyone born after 1980, and to promote corporate consolidation of land by BlackRock and other corporations.

I assume the parent comment proposes land value tax as a replacement for existing property tax schemes. In other words, instead of taxing the value of the land + whatever is built on it (current system in most parts of the world), you only tax based on the value of the land, regardless of what is built. Such a system would incentivize using the land as efficiently as possible, as that part is not taxed.

If you have prime real estate in the center of a city but that is undeveloped, currently developing it increases your tax. In a land value tax system, that land would presumably be taxed higher, but tax would not increase if it is developed, therefore incentivizing the owner to actually use it.

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Post by epolanski » Wed, Jan 08, 2025, 7:08 PM UTC

mrguyorama wrote: post #293

jamestimmins wrote: post #157

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It's shocking how often the answer to "How come X changed?" is either the creation of the internet or the cost of real estate. Surprisingly often, it's both.

More like "How come the younger generations aren't doing ?" Because they can't afford it. Also my belief is that people don't do anything anymore because nobody gets really bored anymore. Boredom is a powerful motivator to make plans, set up clubs, find interests, meet people etc. Now you just swipe through instagram for a few minutes and boom, no more boredom.

I don't buy it.

Going to a club is cheap, in most you only pay for drinks which a bit more expensive than in a pub, but it's not breaking the bank.

Here in Italy you can go to a club and spend less than 10€s for the night if you don't have to eat.

I'll say what the issue with clubs are: plenty of people never got there to have fun but to meet people and get laid. Now dating apps have removed the need for youth to go to clubs.

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Post by gotaran » Wed, Jan 08, 2025, 7:08 PM UTC

darkwizard42 wrote: post #168

lelandfe wrote: post #130

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NYC as well. I thought that too and then realized it was just who I was surrounded by. You can find some extremely late night shows throughout the city that get packed with young people. Hop from Paragon to H0L0 to Nowadays and be out from 10pm until 10am, grab some pancakes at a diner, and take the train home. Did that journey recently with a Canadian friend who moved here as his welcome party :) On nothing stronger…

For sure, I think this does however line up with even younger folks who aren't going to generic clubs for a late night. They would just start earlier, bars/etc. and then end earlier. The full night bangers are definitely still very viable (and as crowded as you would like them) in NYC

I live in NYC as well, and I find the post COVID Berlin-esque Bushwick only scene to be terrible. It's filled with the most dull repetitive music that AI can replicate with a god awful sound system and no atmospherics whatsoever, and while I do appreciate the lack of dress code / door policy / bouncer aggressiveness, it feels like a brutal slog to endure without drugs, and a miserable long ass train ride on the L train back to the city.

I miss the pre COVID Vegas style nightclubs in the Meatpacking District. Yes, crowded and aggressive bouncers who make up the door policy on the spot, but once you're in there's mesmerizing lighting and visual effects, top notch sound systems, the glitziness of bottle service, and the euphoric albeit predictable drops of EDM.

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Post by deadbabe » Wed, Jan 08, 2025, 7:09 PM UTC

tombert wrote: post #193

edm0nd wrote: post #181

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On the flipside, it's also easily detected using a test kit or test strips you can throw into your pocket. https://endoverdose.net/ >Honestly, I'm in my mid-30's, I think that I'm too old to "start" doing this stuff. Certainly not, you are still young :)

I mean, let's suppose I had a guarantee that I have the purest coke to ever exist, with no adulterants added, straight from the factory...it's still bad for me. I probably shouldn't be ingesting it regardless. I've been reducing my caffeine intake, and I don't drink alcohol. I don't even eat sweets anymore. I'm basically a square now; too old to do this stuff.

It’s not that bad.

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Post by ghaff » Wed, Jan 08, 2025, 7:10 PM UTC

majormajor wrote: post #362

KeplerBoy wrote: post #170

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It's interesting how the creation of the internet still hasn't caused real estate prices to plummet. Even two years of covid couldn't do it.

The internet doesn't change "location location location" that much. It doesn't change weather, or scenery, physical entertainment options, in-person social opportunities, or backyards and amenities. It's also created big windfalls - due to easy distribution/sales for online stuff - for more than enough people to drive up prices in many of the most-already-in-demand regions. Ye olde rich person historically has tradit…

I know people with an urban condo and a country house. At one point, I did think about it but decided I didn't want the hassle and, anyway, preferred to have my choice of cities during a given year. I'm sure there are circumstances where a second home makes sense especially for people who want to migrate summer/winter or heavily use a ski condo.

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Post by forgetfreeman » Wed, Jan 08, 2025, 7:10 PM UTC

ty6853 wrote: post #327

mrguyorama wrote: post #282

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>"Real Estate is Investment" should naturally lead to overproduction as investment-only properties get built to satisfy that demand—as we see in China China had massive home overproduction because the goddamned totalitarian government told builders to build or else . It was not market forces. How do you suppose we do that in the US? Especially with this administration? In the US, builders don't build 100 starter home…

As someone who has taken raw land with no utilities to a full house all with my own engineering and construction labor this is only half the story. To build a starter home I not only had to go to bumfuck Egypt with the most libertarian zoning anywhere near jobs I can find, i also had to rule out the 9/10 of properties with practically irrevocable covenants made by self righteous boomers back in the 80s who already bu…

A lot of the time code requirements get changed because someone fucked up so hard local government was forced to actually clock in and do work. It's also worth keeping in mind code isn't a ceiling it's the floor. As in it details the most half-assed way to build anything and have it still be legal. All of that said I'd love to have a word with the folks that have decided 3 acre minimum tract sizes locally are a requirement to put in a mobile home. Talk about defeating the purpose...